Laurel and Hardy would be proud

[Darrell]

You're wild Darrell.

No, I was a sod in my youth!

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Is this your work Darrell?

 

[Peter103]

Will, Its not what's known as" good working practice' its certainly not ," normal practice," its for the most part unnecessay and, unsightly, and for a Plumbing and Heating Contractor, absolutely uneconomic. Imagine you have a contract to supply and fit the Plumbing &Heating to 20 new builds, each property has 10 rads, that's two ballofixes to each =20 x20 houses = at £1 each £400 even before you pay your plumber for the extra time taken to fit an unnecessary fitting.If one of my Plumbers ever came up with a stroke like this, he'd have been back home before lunch.On the other hand, I do understand your reason for doing this in your own property, as you no doubt find it makes things easier for you. I could go on but need to lie down for a bit.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Will, Its not what's known as" good working practice' its certainly not ," normal practice," its for the most part unnecessay and, unsightly, and for a Plumbing and Heating Contractor, absolutely uneconomic. Imagine you have a contract to supply and fit the Plumbing &Heating to 20 new builds, each property has 10 rads, that's two ballofixes to each =20 x20 houses = at £1 each £400 even before you pay your plumber for the extra time taken to fit an unnecessary fitting.If one of my Plumbers ever came up with a stroke like this, he'd have been back home before lunch.On the other hand, I do understand your reason for doing this in your own property, as you no doubt find it makes things easier for you. I could go on but need to lie down for a bit.

Haha. Love it Peter.

Yep, I can see both sides of the story. As you well know, (older) TRV's can sometime pass a little once rad is removed for e.g. Decorating. Mind you a female stop end cap is just the job.

On the other hand I despise it when service valves aren't used on sanitary. (Unless Gravity fed)

I do love these lil chats.

 

[Darrell]

is this your work darrell?

 

[Will]

Will, Its not what's known as" good working practice' its certainly not ," normal practice," its for the most part unnecessay and, unsightly, and for a Plumbing and Heating Contractor, absolutely uneconomic. Imagine you have a contract to supply and fit the Plumbing &Heating to 20 new builds, each property has 10 rads, that's two ballofixes to each =20 x20 houses = at £1 each £400 even before you pay your plumber for the extra time taken to fit an unnecessary fitting.If one of my Plumbers ever came up with a stroke like this, he'd have been back home before lunch.On the other hand, I do understand your reason for doing this in your own property, as you no doubt find it makes things easier for you. I could go on but need to lie down for a bit.

But I'm not a plumber fitting 400 of these valves!

One pair per radiator - that's £16 in my case for the whole house (I left the towel rail as it was at the time). I don't see that cost as being an issue.

It cost was the ultimate factor I'm sure there's plenty of other ways of saving money

I understand it's not normal practice but other than aesthetics (I guess a personal thing - not an issue to me) or cost (£16!) what's the issue - I can't think of one!

£16 in my case means it takes literally 5 minutes tops to remove any radiator with next to no water loss. Likewise I mentioned when I was doing work on the house I could fit one radiator at a time and still use the rest of the CH/hot water system.

Perhaps there's another reason that I've missed but like I say, been in for ten years plus now without an issue...

 

[Peter103]

Will, Will, Will. I did say in my piece above, (last two lines) that I do understand your reason for doing this, etc, etc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Will]

Will, Will, Will. I did say in my piece above, (last two lines) that I do understand your reason for doing this, etc, etc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Fair play - just thought if the issue was cost (!) it was ironic as £16 or £20 is pretty irrelevant compared to what plumbing work costs IMHO

I've never met a poor plumber!

 

[Piff]

I don't get the reason for the isolating valves. Surely the radiator valves themselves are the only isolating valves you need?

 

[Will]

I don't get the reason for the isolating valves. Surely the radiator valves themselves are the only isolating valves you need?

Yes and no, you can close off the radiator valves but then you'd have to remove those from the radiator to leave them on the pipework - which means the radiator needs draining down each time. IMHO - time consuming, messy.

If you needed to replace the valves - say a faulty/leaking TRV - or if the valve twists on the pipework it can move and leak (as in the OP)

The isolating valves are straight/in line so pretty easy to remove and refit the radiator pipes - just hold the valve in place and undo the collar above it

I know it's unconventional but I'd do it this way again I reckon - so much easier when you need to do any work

 

[Darrell]

i've never met a poor plumber! :d

 

[Deleted member 113659]

^^^^ Can't argue with that.

 

[219]

At least the OP didn't end up with Winston Wolff on his doorstep saying " one hour 37 minutes ago you called Direct Line to say you had an uncontrollable leak ... which you tried to stop yourself ... "

 

[Darrell]

Or Joey, fiddling with his "ball ****"

 

[Darrell]

Or Joey, fiddling with his "ball ****"

Its a plumbing term ffs!

 

[crockers]

To a layman who has no plumbing skills i thought Wills isolation valves a great idea....

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Its a plumbing term ffs!

And ffs is a plumbers term/phrase.

 

[Peter103]

And ffs is a plumbers term/phrase.

I could think of a few more, but that's a good start!

 

[Darrell]

To a layman who has no plumbing skills i thought Wills isolation valves a great idea....

And there lies the problem!

 

[renault12ts]

And there lies the problem!

Nope, don't agree. Good solution. Not a problem at all...why would it be?