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Discussion in 'OT (OFF Topic) Forums' started by Steveml63, Jun 14, 2017.
They did. Endless complaints by the residents association plus a petition signed by 90% of residents over a string of concerns they had over fire prevention, fire containment & evacuation. All on record, sadly.
Big hoo-ha about the lack of a central fire alarm, then someone knowledgeable explained that it was against perceived thinking to install fire alarms in tower blocks because someone burning toast (for instance) could set off the alarm and create a panic evacuation down an inadequate stairwell. It seems it's better to contain peeps inside their homes on the basis that the fire won't spread between apartments because of the type of construction.
Of course, nobody thought of the fire spreading from the outside and it seems the recent fitting of UPVC windows allowed the fire to spread from the cladding into the inside.
The cause is obvious.
Another one who doesn`t mindlessly swallow everything the press spoon feeds us?
You`ll be saying man has been to the moon next
Until we have definitive facts its mere speculation.
When the planes hit the twin towers it was obvious what had happened even before any official confirmation.
And yet... some still don't believe it to this day...
Yes but the cause/reason for 911 wasnt obvious, which is exactly the case here. the only thing obvious is that a fire has occured.
Im amazed how many people on here work for the Fire Service and are structural engineers.
Two planes hit two towers...fire...collapse. Not obvious?
Build two tall towers out of Jenga blocks, throw two Airfix planes at both blocks hitting the top third of each structure
Do both Jenga towers entirely collapse, or just the top third?
I am a retired FPO and worked on high rise apartments locally. Local authorities will not install a fire alarm system for fear of vandalism and false evacuation of the building probably leading to the system being switched off. Likewise they will not install a sprinkler system, as we all may know, set one bulb off and the lot will go off causing thousands if not millions of £s worth of damage. There is also the question of where to site the water storage tanks, the rooves are probably not capable of taking that sort of load.
The strange thing is though, if you buy a property and convert to flats or bedsits, the local authority will insist on an alarm system which when activated will produce 85db of sound at the bed head, usually resulting in a sounder in each bedroom. Some of the flats in London were 4 bedroom.
Unfortunately and by no way am I condoning it, it is risk assessment vs cost.
According to one of the tenants interviewed on the news earlier, they had no smoke detectors or audible alarms installed in the communal areas
Shocking really, we have overseen many contracts where the specific work was to install fire extinguishers, smoke detectors, alarms, wall units and extinguisher floor cards to communal areas on all floors to thousands of buildings in London, a large majority of them being blocks
Seems as though this building was behind the times
Modern sprinkler systems surely are not all set off by one bulb?
Depends what type it is, some spray out foam and are far too easy to set off. As I unfortunately experienced in a plant room once, when I literally brushed past a particular low level installed sensor!
Despite not owning a tin foil lined hat - I would suggest that the bottom line "cause" of this fire is the RBKC not wanting a concrete eyesore in the borough
There are lot's of reports suggesting May's aide knew about this and that no lessons have been learned since the Southark tower fire. I suspect tomorrow we shall hear some startling facts.
Regarding the tanks on the roof scenario. Isn't that why we have dry risers?
I believe this is worth reposting.
Fire Risks From External Cladding Panels ? A Perspective From The UK « Probyn Miers
'In January 2016, the Grenfell Action Group warned of the possibility that people would be trapped in the building if a fire broke out, citing the fact that the building had only one entrance and exit, and corridors that were allowed to be filled with rubbish, such as old mattresses.
The Group frequently cited other fires in tower blocks when it warned of the hazards at Grenfell.'