Massive fire in London apartment block

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  1. wemorgan

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    ^ no one knows yet whether the emergency exit design was a limiting factor.

    One 7th floor resident said he only woke up due to the fire engine sirens, buy which time he said most of the building was alight. He gave the impression most people were still asleep in their flats whilst the fire spread.

    Emergency exits in that case were not the bottle neck.
     
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    Death toll now 12.
     
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    There are also some conflicting reports from survivors.

    One man said that there were fire alarms in the corridors and they did go off, but the alarms were not heard inside the flats - he and his neighbours got out of their flats when they smelled smoke and only heard the fire alarm once they were well in the corridor.

    Another woman said that there were no fire alarms anywhere, neither inside the flats nor in the corridors.

    (Possibly some floors had fire alarms while others didn't?)
     
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    Sky News are reporting that some families gathering outside the building waiting for news of their missing loved ones, attacked reporters and smashed up their cameras. Apparently the reporters attempted to take close-up pictures of the grieving families. I don't condone violence, but.... difficult to blame them. The police are on the scene.
     
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    Just when you think people can't get any lower, along come the reporters and camermen. Appalling lack of sensitivity shown and the news editors have a lot to answer for.
     
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    Brave statement but not entirely accurate IMHO.

    A number of entities will be in the spotlight in my experience:-

    Client

    Principal Contractor - Traditional role or Design and Build or Management Contractor

    Specialist Suppliers - particularly if they had Design Liability?

    Architect

    Fire Consultant - if there was one appointed?

    Building Control Department or Approved Inspector.
     
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    I suspect the first two in that list will be trying to redirect fire down in that exact list order below them
     
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    If all the works were passed and signed off by building control or the other relevant parties and everything was up to scratch etc then you cannot blame anyone. Certain ways of doing things will have to change but it's not going to be a simple case of you made a mistake, you are going to pay for it.
     
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    Perhaps a desire for quick results is the problem?

    "At 3.39pm on 12 July this year, excavator driver Frank Torrance was driving between two timber-framed buildings at the Beaufort Park development in Colindale, north London, when he smelled smoke. He looked up to see flames inside one of the buildings and immediately dialled 999.

    Eight minutes after Torrance made his call, flames leaped 40m into the air and the block collapsed.

    Although the London Fire Brigade had its first pump at the scene four minutes after it was alerted, there was nothing it could do to save the building. Instead, the firefighters concentrated on preventing the fire spreading to a second timber-framed apartment block under construction next door, and to neighbouring, occupied buildings.

    Unfortunately, despite the presence of 20 pumps, the blaze not only destroyed the second block but spread to a student halls of residence. Hendon Police College on the other side of a road suffered damage, 30 cars were written off and 2,500 people had to be evacuated.

    The fire spread to the second building at 4.26pm. By 5.10pm, it was fully alight. Where the fire separation was in place, it seemed to work; but the fire jumped across the upper levels and took hold. By 5.58pm, 80% of the second block was ablaze.

    Once the fire was put out all that was left of the first building was a pile of blackened and twisted scaffolding. The only signs that the second building had ever existed were its scaffolding, which somehow stayed up, and a small area of the building at the point furthest away from where the fire started."

    ?A lot of the guys won?t work on timber frame again? | Magazine Features | Building
     
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    This is 5 minutes from my house and I remember it well. A couple of my mates are fire fighters at Mill Hill.
     
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    I work for the Fire Service , and like many colleagues at work today , I don't know what happened - because we don't have the facts yet ; and we aren't likely to have them until after a lengthy investigation , and perhaps not even then .
     
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    It is only in Hollywood that all sprinklers go off at once .

    In the real world , each individual head is actuated separately .
     
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    Over to Benzowner for some clarification please.
     
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    Don't worry, there appear to be many experts will all the facts on this thread :)


    Thanks for all the work you guys do BTW :thumb:
     
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    So so sad. Have passed the building numerous times over the years.
    Unbelieveable so so sad. Poor people.
     
  16. MancMike

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    Not wanting to turn into an expert here, but I think pontoneer is right, unless there's different types of systems.

    The sprinkler heads are held closed by a glass bead which breaks when it's heated, permanently opening the valve.

    My qualifications are I saw them on "How it's made". :D :eek:

    Aside, surely sprinklers wouldn't have helped. The fire was raging outside the windows, the glass pops and the rooms are engulfed. A shower of water isn't going to help, and you can't expect people to have sprinklers in their living/bedrooms.
     
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    Interestingly, someone claiming to be an ex-resident of Grenfell Tower, said on LBC that he remembers when he was living there back in 1978 there was a fire and sprinklers were activated. So was there a sprinkler system in the building? Was it removed at some point?
     
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    Fireman on the radio said today that the statistics show that "people don't die in buildings that have sprinklers".
     
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    Some are glass bead but in areas subject to vandalism or accidental impact there are heads with a bi metal valve or similar.
    Regarding living rooms and sprinklers I have recently worked on a housing project where a sprinkler system was installed in all habitable rooms. It was actually a misting system so less volume that traditional sprinklers. So they will be installed in all dwellings soon no doubt.
     

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