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Honour your word and eat your hat !

The car was sold at £30,000 plus 7.2% fees comes to £2,160 therefore the total sale of the car is the sum of £32,160 - which is what the buyer/bidder is happy to pay therefore that is the value of the car; bottom line.


The first time using Collecting Cars. Was thinking of going down that route and many people I was speaking to when trying to sell the car before advertised online told me to try selling them due to the rarity and the audience would appreciate such a car.

The CC team called me on the back of the Autotrader advert. Thoroughly read their T&Cs. If no sale, no fees - this attracted me. They would not negotiate on the reserve price as they claim it would be "80%" of the car value and expect to go over. I was happy to take a figure within the 30s after being educated about the true value from forums. I told the consignment "specialist" word for word quote: "I am setting the tone here and will NOT be lowering my reserve figure at any time, from start to end of the auction and therefore to manage your expectation, it would be a waste of your time in asking me this".

I had to pay £175 for the photographer to take pictures - monies go straight to the freelance photographer. They push you not to do the pictures or use your own photographers.

After my photoshoot was done, I asked my consignment "specialist" eta when it would be uploaded on their 'coming soon' page of the website and to let me know in advance/heads up. NO notice/heads-up, and received an automated email out of the blue informing me of this. This now means you are contracted to sell your car with them and if you pull out at any time you will need to pay their fees. The uploads were missing a few vital photos such as paperwork as well as video. Their strategy was to get it uploaded ASAP with no detail to lock in the seller.

Got assigned a copywriter who shared a most probably recycled template used in the past for selling similar cars. I re-wrote 90% of the copy as I intended to be fully transparent about the car as well as try to mitigate as many comments on the posting as I could as well as sell the car !

I was getting several phone calls from my consignment "specialist" asking me to approve the copy so they could try to get my advert live in the auction. I refused and persisted that the photos and videos be uploaded, edit the title include the full wording of the car and the photos in a proper order such as the date for the service history paperwork. Before approving the advert I asked how long would it take to go live and the response was: "It has to go into a queue and could take 3 maybe even 4 days but I'm working hard to get us in the queue as soon".

After 5 back and forths, it was at a good place. Once I confirmed approval the same day they confirmed will go live the next day! What happened to the long queue ey.

On day 1 of the auction going live, got a check-in call from the consignment "specialist".

On day 2 they informed me someone would like to come and view the car. They said they qualified the range the potential bidder is willing to pay but is at my discretion if want a viewing or not. They emailed me their contact details and I organised a viewing with the potential bidder.

On day 4 the conversation was started around taking off the reserve as "their data" shows bidders more likely to bid on a car that has no reserve. I asked them to quantify this, for example, x amount / % of bidders a bit more on a reserve vs no reserve - they could not provide this.

On day 6 got a call about taking off reserve and that was the start of the hard sale/push. The consign "specialist" gave the same data spiel and then left it at "Not to worry I will call the bidders and put pressure about bidding but is good to take off the reserve so let us see where was are".

On day 7, the last day of the auction. The same check-in call in the morning. Another call mid-day with another hard push to take off the reserve. Told them to call me 2 hours before the auction ends as that's when I am off work but they tried to keep me on the phone. Got a call right on the dot and another hard sale where it started to get sour and extremely aggressive. They asked, "what figure would make it happen to get the deal done". I told them the reserve. Their response was "it was unfair as we worked hard to get this car to sell". I said, "I told you from the get-go I am not moving on reserve just like you did not". More hard sales tactics with a more raised voice and can the hear desperation to hit targets and get a commission. In the contract it states CC can pay the difference if the bid is within the 10% range of the reserve - informed them of this but they would not do it. I got around 8 calls towards the last hour and minutes of the auction even much so, that they wanted to stay on the phone whilst it coming towards an end and once it met reserve, could hear the relief and joy they had from the consign "specialist".

The consignment "specialist" according to LinkedIn was their first job out of uni and only been there for 2 months; let us see if they pass probation. The kid could not handle the pressure and targets set by the firm which led him to become aggressive and sour towards the end - shame as they do not know if one has a fleet and what's in it as well as collecting watches - shows you poor ability to build rapport.

If you read their latest Trustpilot review from a 458 seller it sums it right up.

It is a good business idea and certainly a better way of selling cars as they do KYC and mitigate AML checks beforehand and their audience is likely to be an enthusiast compared to the autoloader. If you want a car sold it is worth using as you are paying for their audience. Do NOT fall into the trap of taking off the reserve unless you are happy to get any figure for your car. They do not use the data they have collected and is pure sales and no consulting from their consignment "specialist". Ensure you take and are in full control of your listing as they do a rush and poor standard quality of a job to get your listing live as soon as possible to lock you into their contract.

I have sold my car today and done the handover. I asked the if he knew what my reserve price was as I was curious about 2 things:
  1. The auction closed bang on the reserve price.
  2. If bids are made in the last minutes, the timer gets extended by around 2 minutes. I noticed and so did the person who came to view the car (a different bidder to the person who won) that the time kept getting extended but no one was bidding.
The buyer gave me a smirk but neither confirmed nor denied and I read between the lines.

Overall I would use CC again as I want access to their audience and I will not cave into their bullish tactics however, they need to iron out their cowboy processes and behaviour.

It was a lovely clean car as you can see how OP kept it and I maintained it. Was sad seeing it drive off and hearing it roar away from me. Hard to decide what to get next !
Thanks for the write up. Based on this I would never use CC.
 
It does depend on who is your consignment “specialist” but bottom line is you are in control and remembering that.

I have been hearing they are not doing well due to the economy and buyers and sellers doing deals outside the auction to avoid their high fees.
 
What was the rationale for that ?

Just a chancer told him no flexibility on the price - think he lost his fee too. He was complaining about one little stone chip which was listed in the description and photographed. He said he had "missed it." Collecting Cars wanted me to discount the car to get rid of it. I stood firm as said no. He wanted £1200 quid off for a "repaint job" for one little chip.

I relisted and sold it for £200 quid more after a month.
 
I made a mistake and bought the E93 M3 which i couldn't wait to get rid of
Spider , I've been pondering the idea of downsizing my 6 series v8 for a vert E9x M3 - in the back of my mind I'm thinking issues galore like Rod bearings , diff etc but I'm in the mood as there's some with reasonably low mileage on the clock.
What's you're thoughts on the car (assuming i can find one without crippling catastrophic issues )
The 6 series is a great daily but just lacks a tiny bit of theatre when pushed. Its large and unweildy. The best I can do with it is mod the hell out of the exhaust and savour the epic sound track but I sort of miss my e46 m3 and its b road talents
 
Spider , I've been pondering the idea of downsizing my 6 series v8 for a vert E9x M3 - in the back of my mind I'm thinking issues galore like Rod bearings , diff etc but I'm in the mood as there's some with reasonably low mileage on the clock.
What's you're thoughts on the car (assuming i can find one without crippling catastrophic issues )
The 6 series is a great daily but just lacks a tiny bit of theatre when pushed. Its large and unweildy. The best I can do with it is mod the hell out of the exhaust and savour the epic sound track but I sort of miss my e46 m3 and its b road talents

For me, the e92 M3 is the best M3 [ non turbo model ]. I owned 3 e46 M3's too and as nice as they look and drive, the e92 is that little bit better but this is just my opinion :)
Get one that has had the rod bearings done, if they haven't been done it's not too expensive [ around £1700 ]. Actuators will go faulty at some point if they haven't been done already but it's only £600 to change them for life time warranty ones. There's not much that goes wrong with them.
Make sure it's a DCT. I love manual cars but the DCT is the best box for the V8 M3. They are more reliable then the e46 M3.
If you do buy one, I would strongly recommend you get a carbon fibre plenum. No video does the sound justice! I'm looking to sell my S65AMG so I could buy another e92 M3.
If you do go for one, I would strongly recommend you sing up on m3cutters and post a link on this thread https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/any-cars-for-sale.238726/page-304 as there are some great people there that will find out any information's there is to know about a car
 
Spider , I've been pondering the idea of downsizing my 6 series v8 for a vert E9x M3 - in the back of my mind I'm thinking issues galore like Rod bearings , diff etc but I'm in the mood as there's some with reasonably low mileage on the clock.
What's you're thoughts on the car (assuming i can find one without crippling catastrophic issues )
The 6 series is a great daily but just lacks a tiny bit of theatre when pushed. Its large and unweildy. The best I can do with it is mod the hell out of the exhaust and savour the epic sound track but I sort of miss my e46 m3 and its b road talents
My experience wasn't anything to do with reliability
1st thing to note i came from a c63 to the E93 M3 As a car it was great apart from all the creaks rattles etc but it is a convertible it looks stunning roof down roof up im not sure I agree with the DCT downshifts are something else id stick to the facelift (LCI) as the rod bearings are not copper and lead tjey changed to ali and tin mine had 60k on it when sold and got done by the new owner but they were fine i had an oil sample doolne before i purchased it (the oil lab) £35 i enjoy the low down grunt of the c63 which is missing in the M3 you really have to rev it also for more sound you can mod the bsck box ie cut it open and sleeve the muflers inside i went with the 4 pipe mod
All in all would i buy another 1 No but if your after getting 1 do it and enjoy also whilst i remember the oil filler cap will probably have been changed for the E46 cap as the square V8 cap usally leaks
 
Oil lab results
 

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For me, the e92 M3 is the best M3 [ non turbo model ]. I owned 3 e46 M3's too and as nice as they look and drive, the e92 is that little bit better but this is just my opinion :)
Get one that has had the rod bearings done, if they haven't been done it's not too expensive [ around £1700 ]. Actuators will go faulty at some point if they haven't been done already but it's only £600 to change them for life time warranty ones. There's not much that goes wrong with them.
Make sure it's a DCT. I love manual cars but the DCT is the best box for the V8 M3. They are more reliable then the e46 M3.
If you do buy one, I would strongly recommend you get a carbon fibre plenum. No video does the sound justice! I'm looking to sell my S65AMG so I could buy another e92 M3.
If you do go for one, I would strongly recommend you sing up on m3cutters and post a link on this thread https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/any-cars-for-sale.238726/page-304 as there are some great people there that will find out any information's there is to know about a car
Thanks Sam, you're a legend. I dont know whether I'm just being silly letting go of the 6. It's a fabulous daily for a car that's 19 years old it is quite something apart from not having heated seats , it's just more of a relaxed drive and when coupled with my w212 e63, they're both big lumpy cars. They're great for taking the family around and the v8 on the 6 actually sounds fantastic and with some exhaust work, it will sound like a beast but I've never owned an e93 and I'm thinking if i get in before spring for a convertible , I might take advantage of less demand
 
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He's also on drug's 🤣
 
I dont think its worth that.....but then I didnt think it would sell for 30k last time so what do I know!!!
 
Apparently they have the same power as 507 edition cars according to some review sites in the US. But since they don't have hood vents and the same epic body styling, it's a "no" from me.
 
It's definitely a punchy price. I'd be surprised if anyone is willing to pay more than 30k for it. I'd probably max out a bid at 27.5k in the current market
 
My bid was £27k and I'll stick to it
I've been given 1st refusal on my old white 1 he's contemplating selling 🙂
 
My bid was £27k and I'll stick to it
I've been given 1st refusal on my old white 1 he's contemplating selling 🙂
Oh that could be an option,buying back your old car.
 

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