Merc performance comparisons?

[meb]

Does anyone know of a site that lists or compares the performance of various used MB models?

I am particularly interested in the various CLK and E-Class variations.

 

[Big Ed]

Meb,

there are several sites around with details on performance of the older Merc models. I found this lot at Performance stats - first number is 0-60, 2nd is qtr mile time.

Mercedes

1984 Mercedes-Benz 190E 11.2 18.1
1986 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3 9.9 17.5
1987 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 7.8 16.2
1989 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.6 8.7 16.8
1992 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3 11.4 18.4
1980 Mercedes-Benz 240D (4spd) 19.7 21.4
1968 Mercedes-Benz 280SL 9.9 17.1
1971 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 11.2 18.1
1973 Mercedes-Benz 280 11.1 17.1
1977 Mercedes-Benz 280E 11.9 18.3
1981 Mercedes-Benz 380SEL 10.1 N/A
1981 Mercedes-Benz 300TD 13.2 N/A
1982 Mercedes-Benz 380SEC 10.4 N/A
1982 Mercedes-Benz 380SL 11.5
1983 Mercedes-Benz 380SEC 10.4 17.9
1983 Mercedes-Benz 380SL 10.9 18.4
1987 Mercedes-Benz 300TD 10.3 17.5
1987 Mercedes-Benz 300E 7.5 16.0
1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E 8.7 16.8
1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E 4Matic 9.2 17.0
1990 Mercedes-Benz 300SL 9.1 17.0
1991 Mercedes-Benz 300CE 24V 8.5 16.6
1991 Mercedes-Benz 300SE 9.2 17.0
1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E 8.6 16.6
1993 Mercedes-Benz 300CE Conv. 8.1 16.1
1988 Mercedes-Benz 420SEL 8.7 16.7
1992 Mercedes-Benz 400E 7.6 15.8
1993 Mercedes-Benz 400E 7.2 15.4
1984 Mercedes-Benz 500SEC 9.0 17.0
1985 Mercedes-Benz 500SEL 8.9 17.0
1986 Mercedes-Benz 560SL 7.5 15.8
1987 Mercedes-Benz 560SEC 7.0 15.5
1987 Mercedes-Benz 560SL 7.5 15.8
1989 Mercedes-Benz 560SL 6.8 15.2
1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.4 14.9
1991 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.1 14.4
1992 Mercedes-Benz 500E 6.2 14.6
1992 Mercedes-Benz 500SEL 7.4 15.7
1993 Mercedes-Benz 500E 6.3 14.7
1994 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.3 14.6
1993 Mercedes-Benz 600SEC 6.5 14.8
1993 Mercedes-Benz 600SEL 6.6 15.2
1994 Mercedes-Benz 600SEL 6.7 14.9
1998 Mercedes-Benz A160 10.3 17.7
1995 Mercedes-Benz C36 6.0 14.5
1997 Mercedes-Benz C36 5.9 14.4
1998 Mercedes-Benz C43 5.8 14.4
2002 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 5.1 13.6
1994 Mercedes-Benz C220 8.7 16.9
1996 Mercedes-Benz C220 9.0 16.9
1999 Mercedes-Benz C230 Komp. 7.6 15.7
2001 Mercedes-Benz C240 8.8 16.7
1994 Mercedes-Benz C280 7.8 16.1
1994 Mercedes-Benz C280 (auto) 8.4 16.5
1995 Mercedes-Benz C280 7.9 16.0
1996 Mercedes-Benz C280 Sport 7.3 15.8
2001 Mercedes-Benz C320 Sport 7.5 15.8
2002 Mercedes-Benz C320 6.8 15.1
1998 Mercedes-Benz CLK320 6.8 15.2
1999 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 6.1 14.5
2001 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 5.0 13.6
1999 Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR 3.4 9.4
1999 Mercedes-Benz CL600 6.2 14.4
2001 Mercedes-Benz CL600 5.7 14.2
1995 Mercedes-Benz E320 Cabriolet (auto) 8.7 16.5
1996 Mercedes-Benz E320 7.1 15.4
1995 Mercedes-Benz E420 (auto) 7.1 15.3
1998 Mercedes-Benz E430 Sport 6.1 14.5
2001 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 5.0 13.6
1998 Mercedes-Benz ML320 8.9 16.8
1999 Mercedes-Benz ML320 9.0 16.8
1999 Mercedes-Benz ML430 8.2 16.4
2000 Mercedes-Benz S500 6.1 14.5
2001 Mercedes-Benz S600 5.4 13.9
1997 Mercedes-Benz SLK230 6.9 15.2
2002 Mercedes-Benz SLK32 AMG 4.5 13.0


From what I remember, there wasn't usually much between the performance of the W210 E Class and W208 CLK with the same engine (a few 10ths to 60, etc, since the weight was not all that different). If there is a particular model comparison that you are after, I've still got the old brochures, so could look up the specifics for you.....

 

[Shude]

1999 Mercedes-Benz C230 Komp. 7.6

7.6 eh?

I've still got the old brochures, so could look up the specifics for you...

The "book" reckons something like 8.5 seconds 0-60 for the c230k so if the above figure is anything like accurate then you can safely knock half a second off the "book" 0-60 time for whatever you're looking at for a "true" figure

 

[Benzowner]

Wonder why they don't list the E300 diesels ahh just spotted its an American site and with the other thread on here, the E320 Cdi is the first diesel Merc in the US

 

[guydewdney]

no its not.. mercs have sold diesels for years...

1980 Mercedes-Benz 240D (4spd) 19.7 21.

and I have a 110 chassis listed in the epc with OM 621 (diesel) - thats a 60's car iirc...

 

[Dieselman]

The USA was MBs biggest diesel market in the '70s and '80s.

The E300TD was the last diesel to be sold in the USA until the launch of the 320CDi.
It's down to the high sulpher content in the fuel, however this is now being cut to European standards.

Just looking at the chart and noticed that the 0-60 times vary a lot but the quarter mile times are not too far adrift.

I guess this means that the 0-60 is more influenced by initial take off than actual acceleration, which is why "in gear" times are more appropriate to everyday driving, and even racing I suppose.

 

[janner]

1991 Mercedes-Benz 300CE 24V 8.5 16.6
1993 Mercedes-Benz 300CE Conv. 8.1 16.1

How can the convertible be quicker than the coupe?

 

[GrahamC230K]

1991 Mercedes-Benz 300CE 24V 8.5 16.6
1993 Mercedes-Benz 300CE Conv. 8.1 16.1

How can the convertible be quicker than the coupe?

Well, I guess those are actual timings, so there could be any degree of variation.

 

[Shude]

1991 Mercedes-Benz 300CE 24V 8.5 16.6
1993 Mercedes-Benz 300CE Conv. 8.1 16.1

How can the convertible be quicker than the coupe?

Given the ages, the earlier one probably has no catalytic converter, the later one does.

 

[janner]

Given the ages, the earlier one probably has no catalytic converter, the later one does

So it should be even quicker

edit..
a non-cat 300ce24 has 230bhp and weighs under 1400kg
a 300 conv (3.2) has only 217bhp and weighs over 1700kg

no way is the conv quicker to 60.

 

[Dieselman]

This just goes to show why 0-60 is such a load of rubbish.

Even the same tester can't replicate times because it's more about getting the launch just right than actual vehicle performance.

 

[Shude]

So it should be even quicker

edit..
a non-cat 300ce24 has 230bhp and weighs under 1400kg
a 300 conv (3.2) has only 217bhp and weighs over 1700kg

no way is the conv quicker to 60.

I just took a look at the figures and of course you're right, the pre-cat ones are definitely faster/more powerful. The 0-60s makes no sense at all unless it's got something to do with the transmission.

 

[Brian WH]

Mercedes have always had a very low first gear ratio, and therefore 0-60/62 speeds are misleading. As Dieselman says perhaps 30-90 would be more comparable.

 

[Will]

There are many questionable figures in that list!

As an extract from the source states: "This is a collection of 0-60 and 1/4 mile times we have accumulated from many different sources over the past few years."

and: "This list is only meant to be a guideline, NOT THE GOSPEL!!!"

Says it all really

Cheers,

Will

 

[janner]

I just looked at the link..
I want one of these..
2002 Chevrolet Corvette (Lingenfelter 427 twin turbo) 1.97 9.24