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m80

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Viano ex long, 651 2014. S211 646 2009 (till the Gov't drones blow 'em off the road)
Split a ball joint yesterday,
today lower ball joint on 211 and.....

Is it misuse or a cr*p tool?
 

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Looks quite open grain,where broken.

Anyone who watches `Forged in Fire`,or who is a metal worker will know!
 
I thought perhaps I had put too much pressure on the fork,
but as the lower prong has gone also that suggests poor casting.
 
Another day this task 'aint getting done.
Any suggestions for a better quality tool?
 
Another day this task 'aint getting done.
Any suggestions for a better quality tool?
I broke the same looking black one you did , then bought one of these looking ones that has been faultless
 
You used a hammer to shock the joint free? Not just leaving the splitters to do all the work?
 
Split a ball joint yesterday,
today lower ball joint on 211 and.....

Is it misuse or a cr*p tool?
I'd go with crap tool trying to release a ball joint that can put up a hell of a fight. As per the previous post, that casting doesn't look great.

IIRC Olly went through 2 trying to shift the joint on my old 211 way back when, but both sheared the pivot pin as that's meant to be the weak point.
 
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You used a hammer to shock the joint free? Not just leaving the splitters to do all the work?
I missed that post,
yep, apply pressure with the splitter, when it didn't want to go I would leave it while I had a cuppa and then use a lump hammer for extra persuasion.

Anyways with the W1ghty splitter all split that need to be split.

I bought a better than cheapest ball joint remover / installer. Thinking it would be more versatile in future. But the tubes are either a bit small or too large diameter.
W1ghty which kit did you go for to remove your lower ball joint?

I'm guessing some heat will be required here when the pressure is on.

This task is turning out to be a ball joint ache.
 
I missed that post,
yep, apply pressure with the splitter, when it didn't want to go I would leave it while I had a cuppa and then use a lump hammer for extra persuasion.

Anyways with the W1ghty splitter all split that need to be split.

I bought a better than cheapest ball joint remover / installer. Thinking it would be more versatile in future. But the tubes are either a bit small or too large diameter.
W1ghty which kit did you go for to remove your lower ball joint?

I'm guessing some heat will be required here when the pressure is on.

This task is turning out to be a ball joint ache.
For the ball Joint I used one of these
It wasn’t the best made tool . I had to dremmel a couple of small edges (10 mins) but it did the job without issue
 
For the ball Joint I used one of these
Many thanks again.
And ordered.

I'll get this little job done one year.

Did you need to use heat?
 
Many thanks again.
And ordered.

I'll get this little job done one year.

Did you need to use heat?
No heat buddy , but I put the new ball joints in the freezer before fitting them :) .
There is a lot of rubber around if any heat is used .
 
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I missed that post,
yep, apply pressure with the splitter, when it didn't want to go I would leave it while I had a cuppa and then use a lump hammer for extra persuasion.
It's the shock from the hammer blow (applied to the part where the taper is seated) that releases it. The splitters merely apply slight pressure to give direction. It's the hammer that does the work.
 
No heat buddy , but I put the new ball joints in the freezer before fitting them :) .
There is a lot of rubber around if any heat is used .
I was thinking of heat to get the ting out. Any attempt to split the balls, screws the rubber already.

Good tip on the freezer.
 
All done eventually.
The pressing out was more difficult than the pressing in, but the tool did as advised W!ghty. A further big thanks, your guidance was a great help.

So new struts and coil springs.
New top and bottom ball joints.
Both track rod ends replaced.
ATS have just done 4 wheel tracking.
 
All done eventually.
The pressing out was more difficult than the pressing in, but the tool did as advised W!ghty. A further big thanks, your guidance was a great help.

So new struts and coil springs.
New top and bottom ball joints.
Both track rod ends replaced.
ATS have just done 4 wheel tracking.

There are few things more satisfying that a suspension refresh.
 
I also have a LR Discovery 2.

The top and bottom ball joints on those are a pain in the ass.

The first step is to remove the hub carrier that swivels on them then you need to push them out of the housings on the axle casting. The base of the ball joint is an interference fit into the housing casting.

It's the 2nd job that is a nightmare. Some garages won't touch them.

For this step I used a g clamp type tool specifically designed for the job. However, at this stage I knew I would distort the tool if I only relied on this.

So I did 2 things.

1. The day before I was to do the joints I took both front wheels off and had the vehicle on axle stands. I put a drip tray under each side of the axle then poured some old engine oil around the ball joint/axle casting interfaces, so the oil penetrated into the actual interfaces.

2. When I came to remove the ball joints I knew that I could easily damage the tool. A number of experienced mechanics had done exactly that. Many were blaming the tools being cheap. So I didn't rely solely on the tool.

On each balljoint I tightened the tool until I could just see it deflect, well within its elastic limit.

I then had a Hammer in each hand and brought them together 4 times onto the housing. The tool was then loose. The shock plus the pressure on the balljoint had started to move it forward out of the housing.

I then retightened the tool as before and repeated. A few times. The balljoint came out without a problem. No heat and no damaged tools.

Annoyingly, I lent the tool to a friend who, despite being told the above, returned it looking like a spent banana. He replaced it with new, so I can't complain.

What did this tell me?

1. My degree in engineering wasn't completely wasted :)

2. Regardless of the 'quality' of the tool, we can help ourselves by thinking our way through a job.

I too have broken a few joint splitters, but after my experience with this job I tend to approach things less with a fitters mindset and more with a human engineering mindset.
 

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