MKB-Tuning

[Spoonman]

I just found www.mkb-tuning.de on www.driftworks.com from another W202 owner, some of the stuff they have for even a C180 looks pretty good, cams n stuff to go to 141 bhp, stroker to 2.5L from a 1.8 etc... and it al seems realy good. Thing is has anyone actually used them? Id like to know what the prices, service and quality is like coz that website is making me seriously think about tuning up my C180, asked for a quote on the basic M111 1.8l kit they have, but as its sunday Im not likely to get a reply soon.

 

[VB123]

Very pricey, we have done a few of their 55 kompressor kits, cams headers etc, puts them up to 620bhp. Also seen a few of those engines with holes in the bores.....although, given the drivers

The kits, parts and after service are all top quality.

 

[momomo]

I would just buy something a bit bigger. 202's are not not that expensive anymore and you could pick up a 240 or 280 for very little. There is only a limited amount of tuning you can do to a 180...

 

[Howard]

Koolvins got his turbo kit for sale for a C180 ...

Easier and cheaper to just buy a more powerful version though to be honest . 230K , 280 , something like that ...

 

[Spoonman]

Problem I have is lack of age and experience = high insurance

I know sometimes tuning can be more expensive than the difference in insurance to a higher model, but Im also very into modified cars, and I like the idea of having a car thats faster than people think it is.

As for declared mods... of course I would obey the law... but how are they gonna find out if I put (for example) a stroker kit on it unless they measure the capacity of the engine

Also that turbo kit does interest me... I'll have a browse through the for sale section for it. If its hidden away can you post a link?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I would have thought modifying a car beyond mild tune and cosmetics would increase the insurance more than buying higher-powered factory car though?

I understand that modifying cars has little to do with economics though, and more to do with just wanting to do it!!

 

[Adam230K]

I managed to get insured for £800 when i was just 20 on my C230K. (was nearly 21)

 

[Koolvin]

Problem I have is lack of age and experience = high insurance

I know sometimes tuning can be more expensive than the difference in insurance to a higher model, but Im also very into modified cars, and I like the idea of having a car thats faster than people think it is.

As for declared mods... of course I would obey the law... but how are they gonna find out if I put (for example) a stroker kit on it unless they measure the capacity of the engine

Also that turbo kit does interest me... I'll have a browse through the for sale section for it. If its hidden away can you post a link?

will post up a proper advert for the turbo in the next few days - I have been busy cleaning and taking snaps of all the parts ready fr the advert.

 

[Spoonman]

I would have thought modifying a car beyond mild tune and cosmetics would increase the insurance more than buying higher-powered factory car though?

I understand that modifying cars has little to do with economics though, and more to do with just wanting to do it!!

On your first point... not from what I understand, some companies like Adrian Flux actually sometimes discount for major mods, the reason being is that according to their statistics modified car drivers are 20% less likely to be involved in accidents. The reasoning behind it is that someone whos poured all their hard earned cash into a car over time as they got it isnt gonna want to stuff it into a tree. Specialised companies like Adrian Flux also understand modified cars and actually know what theyre talking about, so are able to cover aftermarket parts like-for-like. Obviously thats not true if the mods are a big wing and a bigger stereo, thats just a boy racer whos spent his dads money.

Second point is spot on. I want to modify my car because I want to, its watching drifting that got me into modified cars, but Im sick to death of the amount of japanese metal being used and I realy want to avoid it, as much as I like and respect japanese cars... its just a bit too... obvious.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

On your first point... not from what I understand, some companies like Adrian Flux actually sometimes discount for major mods, the reason being is that according to their statistics modified car drivers are 20% less likely to be involved in accidents. The reasoning behind it is that someone whos poured all their hard earned cash into a car over time as they got it isnt gonna want to stuff it into a tree. Obviously thats not true if the mods are a big wing and a bigger stereo, thats just a boy racer whos spent his dads money.

I've heard something similar - and may well be true. That said but I've not actually heard of - or read about - anyone who has found this to be the case for them. Maybe the only exception being classic policies?

When I was 22 - I think - I insured my first car with a high insurance group, a Toyota MR2, and back then Bell Direct were by far the cheapest to insure the car. The call centre agent asked if I was adding a named driver, and I replied "not likely".

It seemed too good to be true, but they said they give a discount for having a named driver, and sure enough I saved a further 10% for adding my then girlfriend to the policy. They explained that with a named driver you're less likely to drive when drunk, ill, tired, etc and as such reduces risk.

A similar logic to modified cars as you describe - bizarre but you can sort of see it!!

 

[Adam230K]

If you want to have fun drifting your going to need a 200 at least! Also you can weld the diff and put an induction kit + exhaust... but thats about it!

 

[Spoonman]

Yeah Im not planning on modifying my current 202 very far. Im just gonna tidy it up coz I got a price list back from MKB and lets just say I wish the japanese philosophy of cheap aftermarket parts for everyone went to germany.

Im pretty happy with my car as a daily runner I doubt Im gonna get a merc for drifting. Having said that if I won the lottery tomorow, I would, just to have something a bit more different.

 

[Howard]

Whats the price for the CLK430 mods ?

 

[Spoonman]

For a 208 CLK

CLK 430 - M 113 4,3 l - 3V 54001130298​

Leistungssteigerung

von 205 kW (279 PS) und 400 Nm auf

219 kW (298 PS) bei 5800 1/min, 420 Nm bei 3000-4400 1/min
Modifikation:
Geändertes Motormanagement mit neu angepassten Kennfelder für Zündung und Einspritzung.
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Increase in performance to
219 kW (298 HP) at 5800 rpm, 420 Nm at 3000-4400 rpm
modification:
Modified engine management system with readapt ignition map and injection map.
Kompl.- Preis / Complete price 1240,00 1475,60
CLK 430 - M 113 4,3 l - 3V MKB 113 46
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von 205 kW (279 PS) und 400 Nm auf

228 kW (310 PS) bei 5750 1/min, 418 Nm bei 3200 1/min
Modifikation:
MKB Hochleistungsnockenwellen, Sportluftfiltereinsätze,
Geändertes Motormanagement, Sportliches Differential,
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Increase in performance to
243 kW (330 HP) at 5600 rpm, 435 Nm at 3000 rpm
modification:
high performance camshafts, sports air filters,
adaptation of ECU, sporty differential 6495,00 7729,05
Montage / Fitting 950,00 1130,50​

Kompl.-Preis / Complete price 7445,00 8859,55

CLK 430 M 113 8-Zyl.
Fächerkrümmer, Metallkatalysatoren ​

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MKB 020 84

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Headers, metal catalytic converters​

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, stainless steel 4780,00 5688,20

Montage / Fitting 485,00 577,15
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Kompl. Preis / Complete price 5265,00 6265,35
CLK 430 M 113 8-Zyl.
Soundrohr ​

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als Ersatz für Mittelschalldämpfer
Soundpipe
replacing central silencer, stainless steel 350,00 416,50
Montage / Fitting 100,00 119,00​

Kompl. Preis / Complete price 450,00 535,50



Thats some of them there are others, they sent me the pricelist for the W208 too for some reason. ask if u want me to email it to you. The prices are in euros without and with VAT.

Edit: "sporty differential" I love the vagueness. Viscous or clutch plate? 1.5 or 2 way? Who knows.
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[Adam230K]

1240 for a remap?

Micky Mouse pricing methinks.

 

[detomaso]

lets just say I wish the japanese philosophy of cheap aftermarket parts for everyone went to germany.

Tell me about it...

Some MB parts just seem ridiculously priced, I know there's the whole JDM price tag with Jap stuff, but even that seems more affordable to me. When I had my Civic I probably spent about £1k on everything; suspension, engine, manifold, exhaust, tyres etc, you are looking at at least half of that to go on some decent suspension for a w201 and the same again for just an exhaust....

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that it is cheaper and easier to just maintain it and keep it period rather than spend a small fortune trying to improve it.

 

[Shude]

1240 for a remap?

Micky Mouse pricing methinks.

Yeah but that's a price presumably in Euros mate. Converted that'd be only £1239

That said I'd be casually interested in a price list for M111 c230k W202

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I asked for a price list from them some time ago and was stunned at just how expensive stuff was.

MB modifications are much cheaper in the US!!

 

[Spoonman]

Well its the 202 price list I asked for and the prices are not quite as much, but still a way too much imo. just a taster.

C 230 Kompr. - M 111 2,3 l - 4V​

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3 MKB 111 37​

Leistungssteigerung​

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von 142 kW (193 PS) und 280 Nm auf
169 kW (230 PS) bei 5400 1/min, 338 Nm bei 4000 1/min
Modifikation:
geänderte Riemenscheibe, größeres Ansaugrohr vor dem
Kompressor, Ladeluftkühler, Sport-Luftfiltereinsatz,
Anpassung der Steuerelektronik​

Increase in performance to​

169 kW (230 HP) at 5400 rpm, 338 Nm at 4000 rpm
modification:
pulley, bigger inlet manifold for compressor, intercooler, sports
air filter, adaptation of ECU 3240,00 3855,60
Montage / Fitting 450,00 535,50​

Kompl.-Preis / Complete price 3690,00 4391,10​

C 230 Kompr. - M 111 2,3 l - 4V MKB 202 11​

Leistungssteigerung​

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von 142 kW (193 PS) und 280 Nm auf
184 kW (250 PS) bei 5500 1/min, 348 Nm bei 4000 1/min
Modifikation:​

zusätzlich zum Kit MKB 111 37​

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, Hochleistungsnockenwelle Einlass,
Edelstahl-Fächerkrümmer und komplette Abgasanlage inkl.
Katalysator, Geändertes Motormanagement​

Increase in performance to​

184 kW (250 HP) at 5500 rpm, 348 Nm at 4000 rpm
modification:​

additional to kit MKB 111 37​

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, sports camshaft intake, s/s exhaust
headers, complete exhaust system incl. Catalytics, adaptation of ECU 3995,00 4754,05
Montage / Fitting 450,00 535,50​

Kompl.-Preis / Complete price 4445,00 5289,55

C 230 Kompr. - M111 2,3 l - 4V auf 2,5 l - 4V ​

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1 MKB 111 32​

Leistungssteigerung ​

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von 142 kW (193 PS) und 280 Nm auf
200 kW (272 PS) bei 5500 1/min, 375 Nm bei 3900 1/min
Modifikation:
Hubraumerweiterung auf 2,5 Ltr., Ladeluftkühler
Geändertes Motormanagement​

Increase in performance to​

200 kW (272 HP) at 5500 rpm, 375 Nm at 3900 rpm
modification:
enlargement capacity to 2,5 l, intercooler, adaptation of ECU 11170,00 13292,30
Motor aus- und einbauen / Removal and installation of engine 850,00 1011,50​

Kompl.-Preis / Complete price 12020,00 14303,80

It is way way too much I think, I wouldnt spend that kinda money on a 202 unless I was a millionaire and could do whatever I want to whatever car I want.

I think its something of a German business attitude thing, they dont seem to provide low cost parts at all, a W202 owner has a W202 because either theyve had it from new or nearly new, or they cant afford an expensive car... so why would you spend silly money on modifying it, when a jap car which u can buy for the same price can be tuned to twice its original power at less than half the cost it would be to do the same to a merc. Someone needs to realise there is a market for low cost performance parts, OK so the quality wont be as high, it might not be as reliable, and you might not be able to get the same after service... but I for one would be willing to put up with that if it meant I could actually afford the parts.

 

[Adam230K]

Tell me about it...

Some MB parts just seem ridiculously priced, I know there's the whole JDM price tag with Jap stuff, but even that seems more affordable to me. When I had my Civic I probably spent about £1k on everything; suspension, engine, manifold, exhaust, tyres etc, you are looking at at least half of that to go on some decent suspension for a w201 and the same again for just an exhaust....

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that it is cheaper and easier to just maintain it and keep it period rather than spend a small fortune trying to improve it.

You also have to remember that the build quality of most jap cars when compared to MB's are absolutely rubbish. Not saying they aren't reliable or dissing them, as i actually like top-end jap cars, but truth be said, the parts on their cars are just crap.

My friends have 200SX's and preludes and everytime i see them working on them the amount of rust they have in the body work with deteriorated panels and shoddy parts is just horrendous.

Yes their cars are faster than mine, and yes the can probably handle better, but i like my standard-ish comfy, reliable and robust (and rustless) cost me only £2-2.5k to date whereas theirs have cost them close to £10k