New petrol and diesel car sales will be 'banned from 2030'

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markjay said:
We could have a system of 'Green' mark, that a manufacturer gets based on a variety of environmental prerequisites. 'Policed' by an International agency. Then items from manufacturers below the mark will be either forbidden for sale in Western countries or just have high tariffs imposed on them.

The issue is that the West comprises of Democratic countries... and it would be political suicide for any government if they tried to deprive consumers from buying cheap goods even if it's for a good cause.

It will also potentially have a detrimental effect on employment in far-Eastern countries, because many small manufacturers will have to close down, and while we may be unhappy about the employees' working conditions anyway, for them it can be a choice between slavery and starvation.

So what should we do?
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A choice between the work they do or starvation isn't one I'd like to have to make, but really, it's no choice is it? Do anything to survive.

What should we do? No clue, I'm an engineer, not a sociologist or economist, but we certainly shouldn't let things carry on as the are 'cos it ain't workin' right.
 
Chris-S said:
A choice between the work they do or starvation isn't one I'd like to have to make, but really, it's no choice is it? Do anything to survive.

What should we do? No clue, I'm an engineer, not a sociologist or economist, but we certainly shouldn't let things carry on as the are 'cos it ain't workin' right.
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I think there needs to be much more diversity in transport energy supply.

This will for some time to come, need to include some continuation of oil/gas. At a minimum, there will be a need for (mineral oil based) lubricants for as long as we have machines. After the lubricants have been produced, there is ‘waste’ material that currently gets used as fuel.

We also need to reduce the global demand for energy, which is going to be a tougher sell as that nominally equates to reduced revenue for energy providers and/or increased unit costs for consumers.
 
markjay said:
We won't deport criminals to their home countures unless their safely can be guaranteed.

But we will send our rubbish to be 'processed' in the far East no questions asked.....?
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We can send them to Australia though surely?
 
DRF20000 said:
We can send them to Australia though surely?
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It has been tried, but that particular arrangement did not work very well for the local Aborigines, I think.
 
EV subsidy is to be cut and capped.

The Department for Transport will reduce the grant from £3,000 to £2,500 and restrict it to cars under £35,000.
But Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said it is "the wrong move at the wrong time".

The SMMT would say that but the reality is the subsidy was never going to last for ever and the cost of it has probably been growing exponentially at a time when it can't be afforded. The £35,000 cap addresses my concern that tax payers shouldn't be subsidising wealthy people.

The BBC's trashy headline Backlash grows against cut to electric car grants

And a better one from Autocar Government cuts electric car grant from £3000 to £2500 | Autocar
 
I understand ICE vehicles will still be made after 2030 for commercial use. How long before some inventive soul finds a loophole that allows a commercial vehicle to be "adapted" Didn't it use to be a thing to add windows to vans?
 
MrGreedy said:
Which bit? The scrap hybrid for diesel tongue in cheek wind up part of the article, or the findings/rankings on which cars are actually most environmentally friendly?
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Both. There is no way a diesel would be more economical and environment friendly than a hybrid/plug-in hybrid...based on a regular charge and lots of local journeys, if everyone uses the hybrids as they’re meant to be. A long motorway cruise is a different thing as the ICE runs most of the time but there are also diesel plug-in hybrids.
If I’m able to do 2/3 of my journeys on purely electric, using electricity from solar panels for the charging, then why on earth this would be less environmentally friendly than a regular diesel?
The problem is there are lot of people who buy the plugins for tax purposes and never intend to charge and use them as a hybrid vehicle. One way or another, nothing can stop the diesels/regular ICE’s extinction.
 
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seekay said:
The problem is there are lot of people who buy the plugins for tax purposes and never intend to charge and use them as a hybrid vehicle. One way or another, nothing can stop the diesels/regular ICE’s extinction.
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It's undoubtedly true that many hybrids are bought by business users for tax reasons and the government views them in a bad light because of that. But it would be wrong if private owners are deprived of them for that reason alone. Come 2030 or before, the tax reason should be removed so that they can continue to be bought by private buyers for their intended purpose i,e. an environmentally friendly electric vehicle without the range anxiety.
 
DRF20000 said:
It's a pretty clever idea, don't you mean some bright spark in the US?
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What's going to happen when they move to hydrogen, rename it again to Hydrowagen, or why they didn't change the brand name in past to Dieselwagen. I mean it is just ridiculous rebranding a company name in such way and for those reasons.
But on the other hand maybe it does represent well VW reliability as all one will be left with is a Voltmeter.
 
Well I am on record that I will not have a electric car,I find it absurd that you start to ban the end product in this case cars ,when we have major pollution from industries around the world and of course natural pollution from volcanoes and major wild fires.
I am not sure car makers can last till 2030 with people already not buying diesel and petrol cars and on top of that not buying electric ones as well,you get the feeling that a bit like the hero in the serials of kids tv where it looks impossible for him to survive but he does,the car makers will come up with a petrol which will be cleaner than electric.
I have attached a photo I took at the 5 month old all electric forecourt at Braintree in Essex,it was taken at 10 am and as you can see there is one car getting juiced,I believe you get a 80% fill for £10.
to the right are four cars one of which is a 911 and those guys are just using parking spaces to have a chat/get together.
In the building at the back there is a Costa Coffee and way to the left is a cleared area of at least 20 acres for development but nothing is happening at the moment.
The only excitement this place has is level with that building they have 3d pedestrian crossings it fooled me for a second on went the brakes as it looked like concrete blocks in the road.
 

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