Not on ebay but another W124 E36 Estate - does this car look genuine to you?

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  1. pattiodors

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    Evening everybody, I just spotted this car 1993 Mercedes AMG E36 Estate for sale next Saturday and wondered if they know it’s probably not an AMG according to its VIN WDB1240921F249300.
    https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/

    I have found another auction site that sold the car for £23,300 back in October 2019

    RM Sotheby's - 1993 Mercedes-Benz E36 AMG | London 2019 They actually put an addendum on the description that the car had been “equipped with a M104 6 cylinder engine and upgraded by an aftermarket tuner in Japan”

    As the estimate is between £20,000 and £30,000 I wouldn’t want anyone who was bidding to not know the facts as it’s a lot of money!

    What do you think?
     
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    The driver's bolster has done more than 20k miles purely based on condition. The car is someone's creation, not a factory product. The japanese invoice for 6k is probably the purchase price for all we know.
     
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    Ident. number (FIN) WDB1240921F249300
    VIN WDB1240921F249300
    Baumuster 124092
    Sales name 320 TE
    Order number 0 2 839 77181 (Destination: Japan)
    Delivery date 1992-12
    PAINT1 199 APPLICATION CODE FOR COMPONENT PROCESSING
    Interior color 061 No code designation available
    Engine 104992 12 010669
    Gearbox 722369 03 819669
    General data for model code 124092


    Baumuster Модель Платформа Модель Двигатель КП Кол-во дверей Date From Date To
    124092 E-class S124 300TE (USA) Бензин
    104.992 АКП
    722.369
    722.503
    722.369
    5
    124092 E-class S124 320TE Бензин
    104.992 МКП
    717.450
    5
    SA codes
    Parameter Value
    061A CLOTH BLACK
    199 APPLICATION CODE FOR COMPONENT PROCESSING
    221 LEFT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
    222 RIGHT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
    240 OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE INDICATOR
    341 ADDITIONAL BLINKER LAMPS
    412 ELECTRIC SLIDING ROOF
    412 *1 _______ 19951002 ELECTRIC SLIDING ROOF
    412 *2 _______ 19980716 ELECTRIC SLIDING ROOF WITH TILTING DEVICE
    420 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 4-GEAR
    440 TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
    498 VERSION FOR JAPAN
    524 PAINTWORK - PRESERVATION
    547 HEADUNIT CONNECT 20 (NTG6)
    570 FOLDING ARMREST, FRONT
    586 N/A
    593 ALL-ROUND WD-GREEN GLASS,HEATED REAR WINDOW-ESG,BF
    615 No code designation available
    652 8-HOLE LIGHT ALLOY RIMS
    664 LIGHT ALLOY WHEEL 7-HOLE STAR DESIGN 17 INCH
    803 AEJ 06/1/M/X
    844 No code designation available
    916 VEHICLES FOR HOT COUNTRIES-ADDITIONAL PARTS
     
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    Is it just me or does that have 500e wings and front bumper ?

    The recaros could be a secondhand retrofit
     
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    May be true but , but why no mot history before 2016 .Also not genuine 100% for one its got the wrong engine if i am right .
     
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    Out of curiosity I have emailed the auction house in Kings Lynn to ask if they know of the car's full history....
     
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    The tunning that was done in Japan ,,so the reading goes would include the engine swop out to 260e M103
     
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    A reply from the auction company in Kings Lynn after my email suggesting there may be doubts as to provenance.


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    Many thanks for your email. It is our understanding that as a pre-merger car, AMG plucked the closest specification car from the Mercedes production line and used this as the basis from which to carry out modifications. In this case the donor was an 320 TE"

    If this indeed happened to this car then would the factory data card not be updated to show this?
     
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    That's utter crap,it should show up
     
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    It does have 500 wings bumper and brakes
     
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    The whole car is a mismatched in many aspects
     
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    Really? I understood that was how the pre-merger AMGs were made/modified :confused:

    Not saying this was wasn't modified by some random guy in Japan though. I wouldn't know.
     
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    They were but why does the data card say 320TE?
     
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    Because that's what it was before AMG took it and modified it? I'm not saying that is what happened, just that I understood that it happened that way.
     
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    Indeed that's how it is but a late 92 car will/should show
     
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    But it is not what it is purported to be now and therefore surely the data card would be modified to show the AMG status?
     
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    This car has so many incorrect things/parts about it. I am pretty sure it is definitely not a 3.6 and just a standard 320 that has had some nice parts fitted in Japan and messed about with.

    In my opinion the chap who bought from RM has now realized this and is now wanting to pass on at another auction!
     
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    The auction house have become surprisingly quiet after some pointed questions..
     
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    :D:D Go on then,what did you ask???
     

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