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Owning a 123 coupe v 124 coupe v 190 saloon

MichaelMB

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In my current search for a good 190 (I appreciate how short they are for tight car parks)!, I stumbled across the 124 coupe which looks OK & is a bit easier to find with Behr A/C, and then saw a 123 coupe at a local meet. Gorgeous but very rusty.

What is it like to own a good example of each of these, compared to the others? I don't need rear seats really, retired doing about 5000 miles pa, mainly local trips.

Am even considering importing a 123 coupe with A/C from South Africa but a bit worried about scams. The 190 seems more sensible to use as a daily classic (I have another car) but sadly not available as a coupe. The W124, is it as good quality as the others? It's a bit big for me, and I hear tell of it having deliberately bio-degradable wiring!?!?!?

Advice much appreciated
 
Like any old car corrosion, from South Africa possible burnt interior and corrosion if it lived near the coast, Durban Cape Town etc.
 
In my current search for a good 190 (I appreciate how short they are for tight car parks)!, I stumbled across the 124 coupe which looks OK & is a bit easier to find with Behr A/C, and then saw a 123 coupe at a local meet. Gorgeous but very rusty.

What is it like to own a good example of each of these, compared to the others? I don't need rear seats really, retired doing about 5000 miles pa, mainly local trips.

Am even considering importing a 123 coupe with A/C from South Africa but a bit worried about scams. The 190 seems more sensible to use as a daily classic (I have another car) but sadly not available as a coupe. The W124, is it as good quality as the others? It's a bit big for me, and I hear tell of it having deliberately bio-degradable wiring!?!?!?

Advice much appreciated
You will find these vehicles, but crisp ones are rare, coming mainly from retired people who’ve garaged them for the last decade. (I know a few in the hands of retired golfers)

Understand your thought about South Africa but, depending on budget, you might find that Japan is the better source. Japanese cars are immaculate, rust free, and well maintained. The Yen also feels “cheap”at the moment.

Good luck with your search
 
In my current search for a good 190 (I appreciate how short they are for tight car parks)!, I stumbled across the 124 coupe which looks OK & is a bit easier to find with Behr A/C, and then saw a 123 coupe at a local meet. Gorgeous but very rusty.

What is it like to own a good example of each of these, compared to the others? I don't need rear seats really, retired doing about 5000 miles pa, mainly local trips.

Am even considering importing a 123 coupe with A/C from South Africa but a bit worried about scams. The 190 seems more sensible to use as a daily classic (I have another car) but sadly not available as a coupe. The W124, is it as good quality as the others? It's a bit big for me, and I hear tell of it having deliberately bio-degradable wiring!?!?!?

Advice much appreciated
So , you’re looking for a reasonably economical MB , on the cusp of being a classic , only need 2 seats …

Might an early SLK 230 fit the bill ? Cheaper to run than an SL , known to rust but there must be some well cared for examples around . The earliest ones were the 2.3 Kompressor ones and lots were sold .

There must be a few around .
 
So , you’re looking for a reasonably economical MB , on the cusp of being a classic , only need 2 seats …

Might an early SLK 230 fit the bill ? Cheaper to run than an SL , known to rust but there must be some well cared for examples around . The earliest ones were the 2.3 Kompressor ones and lots were sold .

There must be a few around .
Thanks, they look smart. But, the more I go round in circles with this, the more I reckon the 190e in the spec I seek is the go.
I did find one advertised in Newmarket.... been advertised for about 18 months. Owner was very evasive and weird, lying I believe about an MOT being booked but cancelled next morning by the garage....and not rearranged since.
There is another near Manchester that would really suit. It's above market price and the vendor, who has been advertising since August, doesn't want to sell it until February when her new car arrives. Despite me agreeing to both the high price and the long wait, she has gone silent on me. Can't contact her direct, it's through a selling site. Grr!
 
Another thought , you’re looking for rust free examples from overseas . I know you’ve considered Japan and ZA , but must it be a RHD car ? I had my LHD Ponton for 38 years and it wasn’t a problem at all , for me at least . Could open up cars from dry states in USA , Middle East cars and elsewhere ?

Other makes , still classic … BMW 1602/2002 or earlier 3 series ? Volvo P1800 , Porsche 924 ? There are probably others .
 
Had a 528, great car but very thirsty.Have had 2 Volvo P1800s, sold one 5 weeks ago. Lots of rust, otherwise nice. Porsche 924 was in my sights for a while. A/C is a bit hard to get and it seems all 924s from Japan are LHD. Have considered Saabs prior to the 9000 too. Keep coming back to a low spec smaller engine 190, with Behr Aircon, as being right for me.
I would like to buy immediately, but will have a classic and a Rover 75 to sell too, so in reality if it takes a few months to find just what I am after, be less unpopular at home!
 
I have in the past had numerous W123s when they weren’t old cars , 280E/CE/TE and more W124s than I could list .

In their day , W123s were certainly more robustly built than the W124 which followed , the mechanical build was heavier and W124s feel comparatively lightweight , especially the feel of door closure and other mechanical components like window mechanisms . W123s were also more solidly built than 190s , which are more on a par with W124s .

W123s are about a decade older than 124s and tended not to have as much equipment as the later cars , finding ones with air con , for example , will be that much harder , they are also a bit more costly to run , as I well remember when I transitioned from 123 to 124 : my last 123 was a late 280TE and I swapped it for an early 300TE , the 280TE was about 5 years old when I bought it , and the 300TE was less than 3 years old when I made the change , and still the current model . Still I concluded after that , that spending a lot more on what I considered to be a nearly new car really didn’t buy me a significantly better car as there was nothing wrong with the old one ; however the 280TE was a 20mpg car while the 300TE returned between 25-30mpg , and the M103 was much smoother and quieter than the M110 .

Both cars had 4 electric windows , 4 speed auto , and cruise . neither had air con , the 124 had electrically adjustable seats and an electric tilt/slide sunroof , the 123 had a manual , slide only sunroof ( electric was not an option on the estates ) , and manually adjustable seats . Cruise on a W123 used a vacuum diaphragm actuator while it was electric on the 124 , neither gave any trouble . Both cars had factory tow bars .

My 280CE used thermal , auto resetting fuses on the rear side windows , these would sometimes trip out and you just had to wait for them to cool and reset , the 230 and 300CE had the seat belt butlers which could be temperamental but never actually broke , and again electric seat adjustment. Seat backs on the coupes all had a vacuum locking mechanism which confused some MOT testers as they locked only with the engine running and doors closed .

The W124 all had , if not air con , a climate controlled heater system with sensors in the cabin at high and low levels to maintain a set temperature , while the W123 was a manual system where you just dialled a temperature on each side . Oh , American cars tend not to have separate heater controls for left and right , unlike everywhere else .

In case you’re considering them the earlier W115 ( 4 cyl ) and W114 ( 6 cyl ) cars that came before the W123 were excellent , and arguably better looking and built cars ( also the coupes are very stylish ) but again there ranged from 1968 to 1975 so are that much harder to find in good condition and tend to have less equipment again : my 1970 220/8 , which my dad bought new before passing it to me , had no central locking for example , all four windows were manual , but it did have geared front quarter lights , and it had steering column manual gear change ( which was just such a pleasure to use , as it was in my Ponton and my Fintail ) , oh and no sunroof , although that WAS an option . My 1975 280E on the other hand did have central locking , 4 electric windows , no sunroof but it had the 5 speed close ratio manual floorchange box ( it was a homologation special ) and 5 Fuchs ( Mexican hat ) alloy wheels and 185/70 HR14 tyres , compared to the 175SR14 s on the W115 .

W114/115 cars had quite taut and accurate handling ( they were extremely chuckable and easily put into , and recovered from , controllable 4 wheel drifts , W123s were all floaty and barge like ( engineered for the American market ) , so wouldn’t drive them too adventurously , but once the W124 series came out the sharper handling for the European market returned . W201s , which came out between the W123 and 124 ranges also had better , sharper handling , although the 2.6 with the extra weight of the 6 cylinder up front didn’t turn as sharply into corners as the 4 cylinder ones .
 
Had a 528, great car but very thirsty.Have had 2 Volvo P1800s, sold one 5 weeks ago. Lots of rust, otherwise nice. Porsche 924 was in my sights for a while. A/C is a bit hard to get and it seems all 924s from Japan are LHD. Have considered Saabs prior to the 9000 too. Keep coming back to a low spec smaller engine 190, with Behr Aircon, as being right for me.
I would like to buy immediately, but will have a classic and a Rover 75 to sell too, so in reality if it takes a few months to find just what I am after, be less unpopular at home!
I recognised the P1800 from your pic .

Have had SAAB 99 and 99Turbo , Turbo can go through driveshafts , but was very fast .

Back then I also had an Audi 100GL ( 1976 ) and later an LS . My sister had a Passat GLS , which was basically the same car as the Audi 80 of the time . Would be hard not to find rust free ones now . My 100 GL was 6 months old when I got it and passed to my sister at 11 years old , she kept it a further 10 years .

For a time I worked for VAG and had lots of Passat GL5 estates as company cars , great cars , for 3 glorious months I had a full rally spec Quattro to take round all dealerships in N England and Scotland for promotional events - great fun , oh and also an Audi 200 when it came out , same tour .

Have a friend up here in Ayrshire who is a Rover enthusiast and has several , he just sold a clapped out 75 estate but has several better cars . Mentioning Rover , I had wondered if a Dolomite , or the Sprint , might be an alternative to a 190 ? Triumph Stag might be bigger than you’re thinking of , and original ones with the proper engine expensive now , I guess Triumph 2000s will be hard to find without rust . Same with Heralds ( I’ve had a 1200 , 13/60 convertible and a Vitesse 2 litre with full length Webasto roof ) but again all now rare and expensive in good order , but you couldn’t beat a Herald for easy parking and manoeuvrability.
 
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I have in the past had numerous W123s when they weren’t old cars , 280E/CE/TE and more W124s than I could list .

In their day , W123s were certainly more robustly built than the W124 which followed , the mechanical build was heavier and W124s feel comparatively lightweight , especially the feel of door closure and other mechanical components like window mechanisms . W123s were also more solidly built than 190s , which are more on a par with W124s .

W123s are about a decade older than 124s and tended not to have as much equipment as the later cars , finding ones with air con , for example , will be that much harder , they are also a bit more costly to run , as I well remember when I transitioned from 123 to 124 : my last 123 was a late 280TE and I swapped it for an early 300TE , the 280TE was about 5 years old when I bought it , and the 300TE was less than 3 years old when I made the change , and still the current model . Still I concluded after that , that spending a lot more on what I considered to be a nearly new car really didn’t buy me a significantly better car as there was nothing wrong with the old one ; however the 280TE was a 20mpg car while the 300TE returned between 25-30mpg , and the M103 was much smoother and quieter than the M110 .

Both cars had 4 electric windows , 4 speed auto , and cruise . neither had air con , the 124 had electrically adjustable seats and an electric tilt/slide sunroof , the 123 had a manual , slide only sunroof ( electric was not an option on the estates ) , and manually adjustable seats . Cruise on a W123 used a vacuum diaphragm actuator while it was electric on the 124 , neither gave any trouble . Both cars had factory tow bars .

My 280CE used thermal , auto resetting fuses on the rear side windows , these would sometimes trip out and you just had to wait for them to cool and reset , the 230 and 300CE had the seat belt butlers which could be temperamental but never actually broke , and again electric seat adjustment. Seat backs on the coupes all had a vacuum locking mechanism which confused some MOT testers as they locked only with the engine running and doors closed .

The W124 all had , if not air con , a climate controlled heater system with sensors in the cabin at high and low levels to maintain a set temperature , while the W123 was a manual system where you just dialled a temperature on each side . Oh , American cars tend not to have separate heater controls for left and right , unlike everywhere else .

In case you’re considering them the earlier W115 ( 4 cyl ) and W114 ( 6 cyl ) cars that came before the W123 were excellent , and arguably better looking and built cars ( also the coupes are very stylish ) but again there ranged from 1968 to 1975 so are that much harder to find in good condition and tend to have less equipment again : my 1970 220/8 , which my dad bought new before passing it to me , had no central locking for example , all four windows were manual , but it did have geared front quarter lights , and it had steering column manual gear change ( which was just such a pleasure to use , as it was in my Ponton and my Fintail ) , oh and no sunroof , although that WAS an option . My 1975 280E on the other hand did have central locking , 4 electric windows , no sunroof but it had the 5 speed close ratio manual floorchange box ( it was a homologation special ) and 5 Fuchs ( Mexican hat ) alloy wheels and 185/70 HR14 tyres , compared to the 175SR14 s on the W115 .

W114/115 cars had quite taut and accurate handling ( they were extremely chuckable and easily put into , and recovered from , controllable 4 wheel drifts , W123s were all floaty and barge like ( engineered for the American market ) , so wouldn’t drive them too adventurously , but once the W124 series came out the sharper handling for the European market returned . W201s , which came out between the W123 and 124 ranges also had better , sharper handling , although the 2.6 with the extra weight of the 6 cylinder up front didn’t turn as sharply into corners as the 4 cylinder ones .
Brilliant info to thanks, much appreciated....and explains why a few 124 coupes advertised have an MOT history of seats not locking in the upright position!
 
Another thought , you’re looking for rust free examples from overseas . I know you’ve considered Japan and ZA , but must it be a RHD car ? I had my LHD Ponton for 38 years and it wasn’t a problem at all , for me at least . Could open up cars from dry states in USA , Middle East cars and elsewhere ?

Other makes , still classic … BMW 1602/2002 or earlier 3 series ? Volvo P1800 , Porsche 924 ? There are probably others .
Good shout - LHD is fine over here.

Owing the C140 and a 1994 Mustang I flip between LHD and RHD all the time. Apart from token car parks and toll booths it's not a problem at all.

I actually prefer the LHD bizarrely...

TMW
 
Good shout - LHD is fine over here.

Owing the C140 and a 1994 Mustang I flip between LHD and RHD all the time. Apart from token car parks and toll booths it's not a problem at all.

I actually prefer the LHD bizarrely...

TMW
Yes, I have owned 2 LHD cars when living in UK after postings to Germany. If I was after a really rare car I'd take it in LHD. But with patience believe I can get what I want in RHD. I'd like it NOW as I am not naturally patient, but am trying hard to buy with the head not the heart this time. Isn't easy mind!
 
One rare LHD only version of the w201 is the 190d 2.5 turbo. Popular in France you will find them on Leboncoin. Instantly recognisable by the vented offside front wing. Quite a bit more power than the UK naturally aspirated diesels. First example below with a/c...



Another rare LHD only w201 is the avantgarde run out model. Available as a petrol or diesel the avantgarde models have jazzy exterior paint jobs & interior trim.

 
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One rare LHD only version of the w201 is the 190d 2.5 turbo. Popular in France you will find them on Leboncoin. Instantly recognisable by the vented offside front wing. Quite a bit more power than the UK naturally aspirated diesels. First example below with a/c...



Another rare LHD only w201 is the avantgarde run out model. Available as a petrol or diesel the avantgarde models have jazzy exterior paint jobs & interior trim.

Those diesels are clearly capable of huge mileage. Have just been talking to a chap at a meet who had brought along a W124 diesel estate which he loves. He also once owned a W201 but had it stolen. Anyhow the conversation helped me to firm up that the smaller W201 will suit us best, simply as its that bit smaller so that bit better suited to our mainly short journeys with frequent tight car parks. Rather wish the W201 coupe existed but there we go, 4 doors are better even if less aesthetic
 
Yes , there were a few prototypes made . I suspect one of the reasons it never went into production was that , even then the A Class was in the early stages of being planned , and they wouldn't have wanted to compete against their own product . At least not back then , although they now have so many different product lines it seems not to be a consideration .
 

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