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Police-related road deaths rise


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4451760.stm

An independent watchdog wants debate on policing the roads
There has been a rise in the numbers of people killed in road accidents involving police cars.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission said 44 people died in England and Wales over the past year.

This is an increase of eight on the previous year and more than two-and-a- half times the 17 recorded in 2000/01.

The IPCC also released figures which said 106 people died during or after contact with police in the last year, up 24 from the year before.

'Degree of risk'

IPCC chairman Nick Hardwick said: "We are concerned about the increase in the number of road traffic-related deaths.

"This year there were a larger number of people killed but in a lower number of incidents."

The IPCC wants a debate on the risks police should take on the road.

He added: "There is an issue for public debate here - when you dial 999 you want the police to get there quickly, but there is a degree of risk involved in that.

"We have to have an intelligent debate about what degree of risk is acceptable and in what circumstances."

A 13-year-old girl was the youngest person to die and the oldest was a 90-year-old woman in Lancashire.

Of the 44 deaths, 23 were in police pursuits, six involved police vehicles answering 999 calls and 15 were listed as "other".

The overall 106 deaths total also included three fatal police shootings.

'Deep regret'

Home Office minister Hazel Blears said: "Everything that can be done must be done to minimise accidents involving police vehicles.

"Such incidents are a very grave matter and any increase is particularly worrying."

Association of Chief Police Officers spokesman and deputy chief constable of Leicestershire David Lindley said: "Acpo deeply regrets any death.

"But it should be recognised that as a 24/7 emergency service the police have millions of interactions with the public, often in difficult circumstances.

"The death of individuals following contact with the police is extremely rare."
 
Aren't there in the region of 2500 road deaths per year?
If so that means that the Police make up nearly 2% of road deaths, that seems quite high to me.
 
I'm quite shocked by the total number of people (106) who 'died during or after contact with police'. I guess a fair number would be drunks who died in cells etc, but still a far bigger number than I would have guessed.
 
Rory said:
I'm quite shocked by the total number of people (106) who 'died during or after contact with police'. I guess a fair number would be drunks who died in cells etc, but still a far bigger number than I would have guessed.

The figure quoted is 44 - the 106 includes those who died "in Police custody".
 
One of my colleagues was reading something about this today in the paper.

I can't remember the exact figures but only about 6 of them actually involved a collision with a Police vehicle and 1 of those was a person lying in the carriageway on an unlit road.

Figures when you don't have the full facts mean less than nothing. Quite a few of the deaths were of people who did not want to stop for whatever reason. There are some who call for the Police to stop chasing/following stolen or suspect vehicles. If this was brought in how many more joyriders would chance their arm knowing that the Police would not follow? And would they then not race around at insane speeds in someone elses pride and joy?
 
If we had a burglar downstairs we would want the police to attend as soon as possible and drive as fast as they could, and this goes for nuisance youths / drunks attacking others etc !!...the problem is if you watch these police reality programmes you have traffic police acting like the almighty, driving at ridiciulous speeds to get to some minor traffic accident when usually there are other police in attendance. Their attitude to other roads users is poor, often cursing that some "idiot" driver is preventing them from getting through...these guys are a breed unto themselves. One programme the other week showed a traffic car doing over 70 miles an hour through the middle of traffic in a built up area to get to a minor bump !...so its not surprising deaths happen. :crazy:
 
What would be useful to know would be how many deaths were the subject of police chase / action and how many incidental to it.
 
I posted this article after seeing 4 unmarked police cars race through Ealing's centre at 4.30 to 5pm yesterday (Saturday). It was dark, and the pavements were literally overflowing with shoppers. The police cars maintained a very high speed, but were making plenty of noise with it. The real suprises were:

- one car with broken headlight - only the sidelight was operative
- despite perfect visibility, one car had its foglights on.

The Home Office cannot expect the public to have a positive attitude to the police while it pursues a revenue-driven policy towards against motorists.

Likewise, the police cannot expect public support if they drive like hooligans.
 
RichieRuss2000 said:
Police = To Protect and To Serve... Ha Ha!

And your point is?

The vast majority of Officers are hard working and have the best intrests of the communities they serve at heart. OK some of our bosses are slightly misguided to say the least but your comment is juvenille at best.
 
Plodd said:
And your point is?

The vast majority of Officers are hard working and have the best intrests of the communities they serve at heart. OK some of our bosses are slightly misguided to say the least but your comment is juvenille at best.

Touchy!
 
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RichieRuss2000 said:
Police = To Protect and To Serve... Ha Ha!
...........there is good and bad in every police force...i think generally Plod generally do a good job. Workin on the streets of a town on a saturday night dealin with thousands of drunks is not easy.... ....its the solicitors and magistrates that need sortin out.. :mad:
 
I was driving home last night about 5:30-6pm and had a police car up my **** for about 2 miles and I wasn't exactly going slow. He was so close I could barely see his headlights. Also one of his lights were out! :eek:
 
Lies, Damnned Lies and Stats.....

I just took a look at this press-release and it makes "interesting" reading, given the suggestion in the headline....

The 106 include People brought to Police Stations under Section 136 of the Mental Health Act (for their safety and medical assessment) who die within 7 days of leaving the Police Station (?!). Also drug addicts who die in custody having taken the O/D some time before.

Given the proportion of "high risk" patients who come into contact with the cops before the NHS (drug addicts, depressed, mentally ill etc) it is a wonder there are not more in this group?!

The 44 who died "on the roads" include a car thief who failed to stop for a Police Car, the Officer did not "chase", but the thief crashed some time later (nearest Police car was over a mile away), killing himself.
Also a man killed when the drunk driver who failed to stop for the Police drove into the side of his car.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

:cool:
 
Sadly it seems here is another tragic accident involving the police...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4475256.stm

Also why was this guy driving the wrong way up the M6,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4475332.stm

Was it suicide or was he being chased and if so I wonder what for? I don't know the policy however I am sure that the Police would not chase someone to their death especially where there is a risk that they could potentially take others with them... Though I have seen some very dangerous chases on ‘Police Stop’ and other so called entertainment videos.
 

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