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Power Trunk Problem

halman2228

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Good day all...

Can't find the answer in our forums on this side of the pond - thought I would see what our friends in the U.K know:

Power trunk open feature on my '01 CL55 doesn't work from either the key fob or the door switch. Power close DOES work.

Is there an electrical fault for the opening function or is it a hydraulic problem?

I will check the hyd oil reservoir this evening and report back on that...do I use the Pentosin fluid (same as ABC) or what fluid?

Regards,
Kevin
 
Just a guess but could the system need to be syncronised? I think on your model the PSE plays a part in the open/close sequence. You will need to get your car on STAR either way to get a good diagnosis of whats gone wrong.
 
Hello Kevin,

Welcome to the forum, there are not many of us on here actually that own a W215 CL model, probably about 20 or so of us. However, there are a few that own the W220 model, which is pretty much identical from an electrical architecture point of view anyway.

Firstly, to put your mind at rest, you don’t have an hydraulic problem at all, to put things in to perspective, there are two systems at work here which operate independently but are both interconnected with the lock/unlock feature and raise/lower functionality of the boot lid. The PSE (pneumatic system equipment) unit for the lock/unlocking of the vehicle and the RTO (remote trunk opening) unit, which raises and closes the boot lid, so lets isolate them and we can check them individually in a logical sequence as we go along.

Secondly, I’ll guide you through what to check and where to check as we go, but firstly, can you answer the following questions so we can get an idea as to where we are going with this. I have got the answer, which is at the end of this post, but I just want to check and confirm the electrical integrity of the circuit first.


  • When you press the remote key fob, (lock/unlock function button) are both the n/side and o/side door locks opening and closing – PSE unit activated only.


  • When you press the lock/unlock switches on the upper central control module on the dash, the one above the NAV screen, do the locks open/close properly – PSE unit activated only.


  • When you press the remote key fob, (boot/trunk lid function button) can you actually hear at the rear of the car if the boot lock is being unlatched and released from the striker plate, if so, then we can now rule out the PSE control module for this part of the circuit anyway, but we will need to look at the PSE controlled relay circuits shortly which controls the operation of the hydraulic pump which actually operates the ram behind the boot hinge and raises/lowers the boot lid. The hydraulic pump by the way is actually under the battery tray in the boot on the right hand side.

Before we go any further though, could you please check the following and also check that fuse number 57 is not blown – its located behind the front panel below the rear seat, it’s a 25 amp fuse which is white in colour – see the attached photo below for reference purposes, I’ve outlined it in red, the top fuse on the far right hand side. This fuse, if blown, interrupts the power supply to the relay circuits that controls the hydraulic pump which raises and lowers the boot lid, also, if either one of these relays is faulty/malfunctioning, then you will either have the boot lid opening and not closing or the boot lid will close but not open, please confirm which one, if any, that are operational and I’ll explain what to do next.

I am just taking you through a logical step-by-step process here so we can narrow it right down and check the systems integrity which will help us resolve the issue, you don’t need to take the car to any dealers and have it connected to a star machine, its really a basic system analysis/diagnosis once you work through it.

If you do want to progress a little further before you come back to me, then remove the internal trim on the right hand side of the boot, behind here you will then see two black coloured relays (see attached photo below) You can change these two relays over (don’t worry as they are identical) and then try the locking function again, if a relay is found to be faulty, then it should reveal the opposite symptoms to what you had before. If one of them is actually faulty, which I think that it is, then I’ll show you how to test a relay later on. Anyway, try the above first and lets see how we get on, hopefully, this should have answered your questions and resolved the issue and we may not need to go further in to the system.

Anyway, I am off work today as I have two Hospital appointments early this morning, but I will come back on the forum some time later this afternoon to see how you have got on.

Regards,

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Can't help with your problem OP, but an excellent post here from Dash1. :)

Hopefully this will sort your issues out.
 
Thanks Dash, I truly appreciate the time you've spent educating me...

I didn't have a chance to dive into it yesterday evening except to note that the opening feature will engage for a couple of seconds and raise the lid about 6 inches AFTER it is already raised a bit by hand.

To sum up:
1- it unlatches and latches properly via the PSE
2 - it closes quickly when either button (in driver door or trunk lid) is pressed
3 - hydraulic opening feature engages after lid is partially open but does not raise it fully

My suspicions at this point:

1 - low hydraulic fluid level
2 - fraying wire (somewhere?) leading to the raise function that has intermittent/partial c contact

Does the above lead to any probable culprit(s)?

I will share your information above on the forums I frequent - nobody has ever explained the interrelationship of the PSE and Hydraulic boot lid system quite as well as you have.

Thanks again for your time,
Kevin
 
Thanks Dash, I truly appreciate the time you've spent educating me...

I didn't have a chance to dive into it yesterday evening except to note that the opening feature will engage for a couple of seconds and raise the lid about 6 inches AFTER it is already raised a bit by hand.

To sum up:
1- it unlatches and latches properly via the PSE
2 - it closes quickly when either button (in driver door or trunk lid) is pressed
3 - hydraulic opening feature engages after lid is partially open but does not raise it fully

My suspicions at this point:

1 - low hydraulic fluid level
2 - fraying wire (somewhere?) leading to the raise function that has intermittent/partial c contact

Does the above lead to any probable culprit(s)?

I will share your information above on the forums I frequent - nobody has ever explained the interrelationship of the PSE and Hydraulic boot lid system quite as well as you have.

Thanks again for your time,
Kevin


Hello Kevin,

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for the delay in coming back to you, I did come back on the forum a little earlier this afternoon but you hadn’t posted anything at that time, yes, I do follow what you are saying, there is some merit in the latter part of your post, but lets see where we go with it first. You have given me more information in your last post compared to your opening post, I assumed from what you had said, “Power trunk open feature on my '01 CL55 doesn't work from either the key fob or the door switch. Power close DOES work that it only worked on closure of the boot, hence my analysis of one of the relays possibly not functioning on opening the boot lid. The good news anyway is that all the first three points you raise above are proving that the system is actually functioning. Before we go any further though, lets just synchronise and re-set the boot lid functionality with the PSE module.

With the boot lid fully closed, operate the boot release switch from inside the car (keeping the switch pressed all the time) and attempt to open the boot lid, if it stops, let go of the switch and try the same procedure again keeping the switch pressed, this will/may stop and start several times until the boot lid is fully open. Once the boot lid is at its maximum travel, then hold the switch in the open position for at least ten seconds, let the switch go and do the same procedure for closing the boot lid, keep the switch fully pressed until the boot lid has fully closed and then hold the switch down again for at least another ten seconds.

The PSE module will now have been synchronised, now try to open the boot once again, it should go all the way up until its stops itself, there is a potentiometer within the circuit to inform the PSE module to de-energise the pump relay operation thus preventing damage the pump motor and the boot lid overshooting its limit (maximum travel through 90 degrees). Do exactly the same procedure for closing the boot, once it is fully closed you will also now hear the PSE pump running for several seconds until the boot lid is fully secured in the locked position.

Further to what you have stated, it is possible, but highly unlikely that you may have an hydraulic leak within the pump or the ram, is there any signs of fluid leakage under the battery tray, if so, then you will have to top it up and then find the source of the leak. I’ve got to say though, it’s very very unusual for these pumps or rams to leak, if you have followed the above procedure in synchronising the system, then the pump (if it has sufficient oil in there) would have self primed by this stage anyway, you can try it several times if you wish just to make sure it is fully primed. Try the above procedures first and we will go a step further if necessary.

If you want to prime the system manually, then open the boot lid until the latch is just unlocked, then you can manually lift the boot lid up very slowly (against hydraulic pressure resistance within the ram) to its maximum travel, hold it there and pause for a few seconds and then do exactly the same procedure on the way down, do it several times and try the above synchronisation procedure again. You can normally tell whether or not the system is low on fluid anyway because when you manually lift the boot lid up there should be no resistance felt within the hydraulic system as the ram moves in/out of its cylindrical tube. As mentioned in my earlier post, remove the boot lining on the right hand side and check the ram for leaks as well as checking the pump under the battery. Let me know how you get on. I will be home all evening in case you wish to come back on the forum tonight, unfortunately, I wont be on the forum until after 9pm tomorrow evening as I am back at work tomorrow.

Regards,

Dash1
 
Hydraulic level is good

Dash -

Pulled the battery and checked the hyd pump - fluid is good and full, no signs of any leaks anywhere. So its not that...

I'll see if the synchronization process you described above will solve it and post again with my results.

Another thought -is power to these 2 systems (PSE and Hydraulic pump) controlled by the rear SAM?

I ask because the left brake light isn't working (good bulb, socket and as best I can tell, the taillight assy) and I'm thinking that brake light is controlled by that SAM? Just thinkin... but that's a problem for another thread.

I'll post again before bedtime here in Houston and again, much appreciation for your helping me to (hopefully!) the resolution.

Oh - almost forgot, when the lid is up, the indicator light (trunk open) on the door switch is lit - so power to the switch is good...

Kevin
 
No joy on the synchro...

Gave it the synchro try about 15 times with a helper "assisting" it to raise. Closing is still quick - perhaps a bit too forceful.

Quite a bit of resistance while assisting it to raise - about the same as simply manually lifting after the PSE unlocks the mechanism.

It still engages the "raising" function (using the key fob) after manually lifting it about 6 inches but again only engages for a few seconds - maybe another 6-8 inches. Interestingly, I don't get the same short term raising activation using the switch in the door.

Another thought - there is supposedly a "limiter" setting that can be set to prevent the lid from whacking an overhead obstruction such as your garage door frame. I wonder if this is coming into play...?

So, if you're up to it, we'll continue further trans-atlantic exploration of causation and solution.

Best regards,
Kevin
 
Hi Kevin,

I have only just come home from work, I have just read your posts and I will come back on the thread later. I’ll re-read the thread shortly and make sure I’ve covered everything from a visual point of view. These cars do have an extremely complicated electrical architecture, I’ll explain later.

Regards,

[FONT=&quot]Dash1[/FONT]
 
Hello Kevin,

Sorry for the delay, it’s been a very long day for me today, completely shattered. Anyway, lets just take stock for a moment and look at everything that you have done to date. We can now effectively rule out the hydraulic leak issue given that you have checked and found none, however, there is a possibility that the pump is not delivering sufficient pressure to overcome the weight of the boot lid, especially, when you say that the boot lid is opening and being raised by several inches, this in itself shows the system is attempting to work As I stated earlier, its quite rare for leaks to be found in this area, but that doesn’t mean to say that they don’t leak, on the contrary, but it is very unusual for them to do so. Up to now, everything that we have done is pretty much on a visual basis; however, this is where it now gets extremely technical. The electrical architecture on a CL is the one of the most advanced system on any Mercedes Benz to date.

So, lets answer the questions to the last two posts first. The voltage supply to the PSE pump and the hydraulic pump do not come from the rear SAM control module, on the contrary, the voltage supply to the PSE module is via fuse number 62 - which is a 20 amp yellow fuse and is found in the same fusebox that I provided earlier. The voltage supply to the hydraulic pump is via fuse number 57 in the same fusebox, the two micro relays are switched on/off from the PSE control module. Have a look again at the fusebox layout and you will see the fuses clearly identified, more on this later.

The rear lights - brake lights, reverse light, fog light and indicators on the n/side and o/side rear of the vehicle only are all controlled by the rear SAM control module, so yes is the answer to that question. Also, the boot lights under the rear parcel shelf, the one in the boot lid, the number plate lights and the high level brake lamp in the boot lid are all controlled once again by the rear SAM control module. As you say, we can look at those in another thread sometime.

The drivers door switchpack with the boot release switch is illuminated to identify that the boot lid catch is actually open – what you could do is mechanically close the catch with a screwdriver blade or something similar and see if the lamp goes out, then press the boot switch release button in the boot lock itself (where you insert the metal key blade) to see if the catch releases, effectively, what we are checking here is the integrity of the wiring loom from the boot lid through the umbilical loom/harness and back to the PSE module. The umbilical loom from the boot lid to the main boot wiring harness runs around a spring tensioned pulley system and is very vulnerable and electrical wires do get broken as a result, an area worth checking much later on.

I’ll condense the next two paragraphs in the interests of brevity - This is how the remote boot opening and power closing system actually operates from the drivers door switchpack, when you actually press the boot release button, this switch is “hard wired” in to the drivers door module, from the drivers door module, a message is then sent over the CAN data bus to the PSE control module to either open/close the boot lid depending upon which way you pressed the boot switch. Once the boot catch is released, (microswitch activated and detected in the locking mechanism) a message is then sent back over the CAN bus to the drivers door module to indicate the boot catch has been released, the rocker switch in the door is then illuminated to indicate to the driver that the boot is open, the very same protocol process is followed when you close the boot lid and the catch is fully closed. This system is very complicated and the PSE module is linked to many of the other modules within the car.

When you operate the boot lid open function from the key fob, then it’s an entirely different scenario. If the boot lid open push button switch is operated on the remote key fob, then the transmitter keysends a signal to the rear window antenna above the rear screen. From here, the signal is then sent by the rear window antennas amplifier module to the overhead control panel module, the one in front of the sunroof with the panel/reading lights etc. The transmitted data for boot lid opening information is then sent from the overhead control panel module to the EIS (electronic ignition switch) control module over the CAN bus. The EIS control module then checks the access authorisation and validity codes of the transmitter key. If access/authorisation is granted and then issued, then the EIS control module sends a data command message to open the boot lid over the CAN bus to the PSE control module. As I said above, its an extremely and very very complicated system and we have to approach it in a logical step-by-stem process, so my apologies for this.

You can check in the instrument cluster sub-menu’s under settings, scroll down to vehicle, enter the vehicle menu and in here is the boot opening height limiter. If it is actually switched on, then turn it off. Do you have an owner’s manual to follow this procedure. Also, you could check the boot opening angle detector sensor (the potentiometer I mentioned in my previous post). It’s located on the o/side just above the hydraulic ram, see attached photo below. You can check to see if the ball joint and linkage are still connected by using a mirror and a torch. The unit is secured to a bracket with two torx screws, undo these and slide it from its bracket. The potentiometer has an electrical connection held in place with two locking tabs. The 3 wires are colour coded as being red/green, which is a 5 volts input supply, brown/green, which is a 3 volts output source back to the PSE module and a ground circuit, which is a brown wire. The potentiometer is an extremely important component and serves two specific purposes, firstly, it monitors the position of the boot lid and therefore informs the PSE module when its at its maximum travel and secondly, it monitors the speed/rate of change when the boot lid is opening/closing. This is also another unit that does actually fail which results in a very similar issue such as yours, however, one has to be very careful here and make sure that it is the sensor and not the PSE module, which it is connected to.

Just to recap and finalise – lets just go over these again: -

Will you remove both fuses, numbers 62 and 57 for the time being and then replace them after several minutes, effectively, cutting the power and then reinstating it.

Also, will you remove the two micro relays that control the pump operation and change them over, its easier if you push up on the relay connector block at the bottom and ease it off its bracket and change right to left and left to right relays.

Once the above has been done, close the boot lid and then we can check if the boot lid actually opens using the push button in the boot lock assembly above the number plate.

In view of what we have covered, the electrical system at the moment seems to be functioning; the communication network is functioning because the modules are actually doing what they are supposed to do – communicating with each other. I have the one or two concerns here Kevin, is the pump capable of delivering the required pressure to overcome the weight of the boot lid and is the boot angle sensor giving the correct feedback to the PSE module, also, is the PSE module actually seeing the data from the boot angle sensor. We could also test the pump in isolation from the rest of the cars electrical system (by-pass) to see if it will raise and lower the boot lid, lets see how we go first, by the way, how are your electrical skills.

Anyway, try the above again and we will see what area we can go in to next, from hereon, it gets extremely complex though and we will have to do a pin-out by pin-out testing procedure to make sure we are getting the right data and voltage levels. I won’t be able to come on the forum at all tomorrow evening, its Friday night and me and my wife always go out with friends, so Saturday afternoon will be the earliest now, so my sincere apologies.

Regards,

Dash1
 

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Hello Kevin,

I’m extremely sorry that I haven’t posted anything to update the thread for the past three/four weeks or so now, I haven’t forgotten about you but I have been extremely busy with work and other personal issues/commitments. My father has been in the hospital now for just over 3 weeks and is seriously ill at the moment and I am trying to arrange hospital visiting dates/times and work commitments at the same time, its extremely difficult, especially when you work long hours as I often do and you are a significant distance from your parents home, so my apologies. I’m not sure whether or not you have read my last post, although it appears you haven’t replied to it. I haven’t got the time to go through everything with you at the moment; however, I did construct a flow chart and wiring diagram schematic for your benefit several weeks ago (now attached below) to help you understand and guide you through the system a little easier. It seemed a pointless exercise in me doing this and then not posting it on the forum, so apologies once again but I have only just had the chance to do it now.

The electrical schematic layout is exactly how it should be from an engineering perspective and the relay numbering system and fuses are identical to that on all W215/W220 models only from June 2000 – 2006 final production build dates. Prior to June 2000, the system used a mechanical type linkage/regulator driven solely by an electric motor, similar to the operation of a window winder until the hydraulic system was introduced. I’ve put the correct wiring colour coding and all the relevant interactive modules that are functioning within the system for the boot lid opening/closing features only. Please note that the PSE module has many many other integrated functions and also interacts with other modules on the car, it would be extremely time consuming (time is something of which I don’t have the luxury of at the moment) for me to cover all the PSE circuitry in one go, so I’ve simply covered and confined it to the area that you have a problem with – the boot opening feature from the drivers door switch pack and the remote key fob. From your previous description anyway, you say that everything else is functioning properly, so I’ve deliberately left those parts of the circuit out of the schematics but included some of them (for observation purposes only) in a flow chart.

To be really honest with you Kevin, I don’t really frequent the forum that often anyway, (as you can see from my post count) so it’s a “hit” or “miss” affair really if I come on here and come across someone like yourself with an issue that I think I can help with. Unfortunately, my time on here is somewhat limited and will become even less so when my own CL goes this coming Saturday, its already sold, so I will no longer be a Mercedes Benz owner then I’m afraid. I came on the forum the other evening out of one of courtesy, rather than necessity, to see how you were progressing; but I didn’t really have time to write anything then, anyway, if the car is now repaired then its no big issue as I’m sure other W215 and W220 owners on here may find the information useful and beneficial anyway. What you will find is that the information contained within the flow chart and the diagram will support everything that I have already mentioned to date within the thread; re-read the thread if you have the time and you will see exactly what I have already stated becomes more apparent.

I will only be able to come back on the forum now late this coming Sunday evening, as I am busy for the remainder of this week and over the weekend. In the meantime, have a look at the attached chart and diagram and try and familiarise yourself with the functionalities of the system. The “key” here in diagnosing any fault/issues on any car, not just a Mercedes Benz, is to understand the principles of how the system actually works and functions, failing this, then one has a relatively slim chance (other than taking the vehicle in to an MB dealer) of ever identifying the problem (unless it’s a repetitive failure and commonly known MB issue) and it becomes one of guesswork, which at times could prove to be expensive, especially on these cars. If you do have any questions then please post on the thread and I will be only too pleased in answering them when I get back to you some time later on Sunday evening. If you haven’t posted a reply by then, then I’ll assume that the vehicle is repaired and we will leave it as it is, sorry I can’t offer or be of any further help at the moment Kevin but my priorities at the moment are with my parents and work.

Best Regards,

Dash1
 

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Please is the chance to contact you by phone?
 
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I've returned...

Hello again Dash... seems we've both been busy with other, more important things for a bit. Hopefully you will return here once in a while and catch this thread and revive the process as the issue remains unsolved.

I've not had time to dig into the car since your last post but will do so this coming weekend and report back.

Door and trunk locks perform as designed from the key fob as well as the dashboard switch - so that part of PSE is working. I'm thinking though that my "multi contour seats" functionings are not performing - that may be a clue for us.

I'll need to do the swap of the 2 relays first which may be all that is required. If not, I'll be back for more assistance. If its a simple relay replacement, I'll report that as well for the benefit of any other member(s) seeking solutions to similar problems.

Keep your priorities straight (family & health) - if you can return to help, good for me. If not, not to worry - I'll post the solution once (if) found.

Best regards,
Kevin
 
Hello again Dash... seems we've both been busy with other, more important things for a bit. Hopefully you will return here once in a while and catch this thread and revive the process as the issue remains unsolved.

I've not had time to dig into the car since your last post but will do so this coming weekend and report back.

Door and trunk locks perform as designed from the key fob as well as the dashboard switch - so that part of PSE is working. I'm thinking though that my "multi contour seats" functionings are not performing - that may be a clue for us.

I'll need to do the swap of the 2 relays first which may be all that is required. If not, I'll be back for more assistance. If its a simple relay replacement, I'll report that as well for the benefit of any other member(s) seeking solutions to similar problems.

Keep your priorities straight (family & health) - if you can return to help, good for me. If not, not to worry - I'll post the solution once (if) found.

Best regards,
Kevin


Hello Kevin,

Nice to hear from you again. I haven’t actually been active on the forum for the best part of three months now, with the exception of just the one visit the other day to help out another forum member, and that was only for a few minutes. As I stated in my last post, my father was seriously ill in hospital at that time, sadly, he never made it through and he passed away on 16th September. Since then I have been extremely busy sorting out all of his affairs as well as maintaining my own responsibilities at work, its not very easy and its pretty traumatic for me at the moment. He was a great man, a great engineer, but most importantly, a great father who I will dearly miss forever.

Anyway, if you do get the chance to go through everything that I have already mentioned within the thread, then I am pretty sure you will resolve the issue. Follow the procedures that I outlined (don’t skip anything and if necessary use the wiring diagram and flowchart that I provided) and then come back to me with the results. There are several other things that we can do following on from these, but I just want to see the results of all the above checks first. Out of interest, because we may need one shortly in the event that the above doesn’t resolve the issue, do you possess an ammeter (up to 25 amps or so) or a test lamp?

To quickly answer the above question you raised in your last post, then the multi-contour seat problem has no connection whatsoever on the issue that we are looking at. As I stated in a previous post, the PSE module has many many other functions and interacts with several other modules on the car. If you can recall from you own observations as listed in one of your own posts, you stated that the boot lock mechanism was being unlatched from the striker plate, once again this in itself is sufficient proof that the PSE module was active at that time, therefore, its from here on that we need to diagnose the issue, and the issue is primarily with the activation over the relay circuits which are controlled solely by the PSE module. We can look at the PSE system and all its other functionalities in general once we resolve this issue, but first things first Kevin.

I’ll repeat this just for clarity, when the boot lock is released from the striker plate, whether operated by the remote key fob button or door switch pack, the micro switch in the locking mechanism is detected by the rear SAM control module, the rear SAM control module then sends a message over the CAN bus to the PSE module and the drivers door module – rocker switch now illuminated on the door switch pack. The area of concern that we need to look at is to establish as to whether or not the PSE module is receiving the message and then switching the boot “open” pump relay number 1 - look at the wiring diagram that I’d drawn for observations and you may find it easier to follow. We know that the system is working once the boot lid is open as this part of the circuit is functioning properly with the closure of the boot lid, so pump relay number 2 is being energised on the pink/blue wire by the PSE module. Please let me know how you get on with the above first and also if you have the time then check the relay circuit connections at the PSE module, the pink/black wire – pump relay number 1

I am not exactly sure when I will be back on here again, although I am at home all this weekend, the first full weekend at home for near on three months now, so I will try my very best to come back on here on Sunday afternoon/evening. If you have any further questions, then please post them on the thread.

Best Regards,

[FONT=&quot]Dash1[/FONT]
 

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