Presidential Election [ MBClub]

How would you vote

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 48 62.3%

  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 7 9.1%

  • Bruce Springsteen

    Votes: 5 6.5%

  • Arnold Schwarzenegger

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • What Election?

    Votes: 11 14.3%
  • Total voters
    77
  • Poll closed .
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If you hadn't noticed the American Presidential election is tomorrow! Thought it might be interesting to see how MBClub members might vote. Leaving aside detailed US domestic issues rightly to citizens of the USA perhaps it would be useful to consider which candidate's election would be of most benefit to citizens of the United Kingdom directly or indirectly.:dk:
 
Can we get the loser to replace Alex Salmond ?
 
Paddy Power started paying out on Obama to win bets today, the day before the election. They reckon it's a foregone conclusion.
 
No big fan of Obama but Romney is a dangerous idiot. Our lot may be taking pride in making a mess of the UK economy to teach us all a lesson, but at least there is hope while the US administration are behaving sensibly. Aggressive fiscal consolidation in the US would be bad for the whole world.
 
BigSilverEstate said:
No big fan of Obama but Romney is a dangerous idiot. Our lot may be taking pride in making a mess of the UK economy to teach us all a lesson, but at least there is hope while the US administration are behaving sensibly. Aggressive fiscal consolidation in the US would be bad for the whole world.
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What is the current US administration doing with the economy that you consider sensible?
 
When Obama was elected there were high hopes that he will mend the relationships and build bridges to the Muslim world, as well as South America, two area where Republican aggressive foreign policies caused a rift.

This has not happened, perhaps because there never was such thing as a miracle cure for Guantanamo, Iraq, and Afghanistan, or for South America's appetite for socialism and for the drug lords, but either way this is generally perceived as a broken promise, in spite of some progress made in these areas.

While foreign politics do not play a huge part in the US elections, with the results being a close call, it may just be enough to tip the balance by those voters who feel disillusioned.
 
Rob77 said:
What is the current US administration doing with the economy that you consider sensible?
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Relatively relaxed fiscal as well as monetary policy which is supporting a stronger recovery than we are seeing elsewhere including the UK. Obama's policies may not be perfect but by contrast Romney is espousing a significant roll back of the state and (AIUI) higher interest rates. In addition his tax programme appears highly regressive and he and his team have consistently and blatantly lied through the course of the campaign.
 
Like every democratic country, including ours. The elected representatives are simply figureheads. Puppets some may say.

The people who really run countries never change, they carry on quietly behind the scenes.

Yes minister wasn't actually a well crafted satirical comedy, it was actually a documentary.:rolleyes:
 
Its perhaps interesting to note that both candidates have moved their ground as the election process has proceeded. :rolleyes: Mitt Romney has definitely softened his attitude on many issues, and Barrack Obama has done a lot more "God Bless America" rather than "This Land Is Your Land" in recent months. Both have pointedly ignored such contentious "Elephants in the room" such as gun control. :ban: Obama's first term was virtually emasculated when the Republicans gained control of the House of representatives mid term and while his record on the economy is not great people seem to forget he brought the country through one of the biggest financial meltdowns in recent memory. :dk: If he gains another term he will hopefully be a bit more of a pragmatic politician next time round. A bit more Lyndon Baines Johnson rather than John F Kennedy. :thumb: God help the world if the other bloke gets in. :doh:
 
I think that the 5 ****ers who voted for Romney in this poll should own up !
 
So far this UK poll is in favour of Obama and his fiscal policy.
Then why did the English vote for Romney's fiscal policy and put Cameron in power?
 
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Bellow said:
So far this UK poll is in favour of Obama and his fiscal policy.
Then why did the English vote for Romney's fiscal policy and put Cameron in power?
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There is probably some kind of Scottish dimension to this comment which I have no interest in / knowledge about. On the main point though, my analysis would be as follows:
- the labour government under Brown was a spent force so it is likely they would have lost against any opposition
- there was a consensus at the time (2009 - 2010) across many nations, supported by analysis from the IMF among others that fiscal consolidation to reduce deficits was the way out of the worlds economic problems and would not impair growth to an unacceptable level. The British electorate bought into this, along with much of the rest of the world. The theory has been discredited: there has been a clear correlation across nations between austerity and slow growth or economic contraction, and the IMF itself has come out and said it underestimated the adverse impacts of slowing government spending, and advising governments such as ours to slow the rate of fiscal consolidation. So the facts have changed and people have changed their minds.

BTW I don't think Cameron etc in their wildest dreams are as radically small-state as Romney.
 
Red C220 said:
Like every democratic country, including ours. The elected representatives are simply figureheads. Puppets some may say.

The people who really run countries never change, they carry on quietly behind the scenes.

Yes minister wasn't actually a well crafted satirical comedy, it was actually a documentary.:rolleyes:
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Is this where UK and US civil service is very different? In the UK civil servants remain in place after the election, in the US there is a major recruitment of senior civil servants loyal to the winning president. I believe this is why it takes so long after the election to finally sign in the new president.
 
Please keep UK politics out of this thread, otherwise this thread be closed.
 
I Still find it strange that the vast majority of the rest of the world want Obama and fear Mitt, but its so close in america.

I just want Americans to do the right thing and re-elect Mr Obama, however they don't have a great past record (Bush Jnr)
 
Truffs said:
I Still find it strange that the vast majority of the rest of the world want Obama and fear Mitt, but its so close in america.

I just want Americans to do the right thing and re-elect Mr Obama, however they don't have a great past record (Bush Jnr)
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There is some suggestion that non US media have overstated the closeness of the race as the polls are pretty one sided

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/reporting-that-makes-you-stupid/
 
BigSilverEstate said:
fiscal consolidation to reduce deficits was the way out of the worlds economic problems ... theory has been discredited ... So the facts have changed and people have changed their minds
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A theory, discredited by some yet held by others, remains a theory. It doesn't become a fact, changed or otherwise.

Are you saying there is now conclusive evidence that a country should borrow its way through economic problems?
 
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