Pulled over by police in my 300ce

[Scott_F]

Yeah, I'm pro police, they do one of the toughest jobs out there and with very little or no thanks. I'm not stupid, I know that there are individual incidents where individual officers get things wrong, but using those incidents to blankety stomp on the police isn't the way forward, is it.

It's not individual incidents or individual officers that really tarnish the image and the reputation of the police.

It's Hillsborough, Stephen Lawrence, Jean Charles De Menezes, Ian Tomlinson and a long list of other high-profile incidents that reveal the lies and corruption that exist in the police from the very top to the very bottom.

 

[Dave.tam]

I agree 100% but what do you suggest we do to rectify it? Is there an alternative to the police? If so, I'd like to hear your ideas.

How about people trying to change the situation from the inside out? Isn't that the only real way it's going to happen?

Plenty of people complain about the police, but they're not willing to do anything about it. By that I mean do the job, do it properly without fear or favour and be part of the solution.

 

[fabes]

All organisations have the same issue.VW, Tesco, NHS even my place
People at the top who are too far divorced from what their organisations should be doing and being political (small p)

I know a few coppers and they try to do their best, but will have off days (who doesn't), will profile people (sometimes incorrectly) whilst some are racist, left wing, right wing, bigots even Pompey fans!

They are though, very coloured and disheartened by their environment and having to deal with their regulars.....

A bit of a defense, but also an appreciation of a tough job and people being people

 

[E55BOF]

It's not individual incidents or individual officers that really tarnish the image and the reputation of the police.

It's Hillsborough, Stephen Lawrence, Jean Charles De Menezes, Ian Tomlinson and a long list of other high-profile incidents that reveal the lies and corruption that exist in the police from the very top to the very bottom.

These wouldn't be the lies and corruption that exist everywhere in society from the very top to the very bottom, would they?

My personal view is that while our police aren't perfect, they are human, just like all of us, and I'm inclined to think that they are still better than most other countries' police.

As for the sea-green incorruptibles who profess to expect them to be perfect, good luck in changing human nature.

 

[markjay]

It's not individual incidents or individual officers that really tarnish the image and the reputation of the police.

It's Hillsborough, Stephen Lawrence, Jean Charles De Menezes, Ian Tomlinson and a long list of other high-profile incidents that reveal the lies and corruption that exist in the police from the very top to the very bottom.

What percentage of the overall number of major cases that Police handled in the past 20 years do these four cases constitute?

 

[Scott_F]

These wouldn't be the lies and corruption that exist everywhere in society from the very top to the very bottom, would they?

My personal view is that while our police aren't perfect, they are human, just like all of us, and I'm inclined to think that they are still better than most other countries' police.

As for the sea-green incorruptibles who profess to expect them to be perfect, good luck in changing human nature.

Name me another organisation where serious allegations are ignored or where the guilty are allowed to resign or granted early retirement on a full pension in order to avoid facing the consequences of their actions ?

As an example, let's look at this item from last week's news:

Hillsborough suspect files passed to Crown Prosecution Service - BBC News

Nearly 28 years after the event, those who lied and altered notebooks and independent witness statements have yet to face justice despite damning evidence. Maybe their time will come but I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't expect perfection but institutional lies and corruption shouldn't be airbrushed away.

 

[Scott_F]

What percentage of the overall number of major cases that Police handled in the past 20 years do these four cases constitute?

The number is irrelevant - it's what they reveal about police culture from the top down and lack of accountability that is significant.

 

[219]

Name me another organisation where serious allegations are ignored or where the guilty are allowed to resign or granted early retirement on a full pension in order to avoid facing the consequences of their actions ?

The BBC ?

 

[Dave.tam]

Scott, I do agree with you and we should all be accountable for our actions.

I also agree with what else has been said regarding the relatively small number of issues re an organisation that deals with tens of thousands of incidents in a single day.

I fully understand the severity of those incidents though and I'm not trying to brush over them or say they're insignificant, but in reality, percentage wise, the Poilce get it right most of the time. It's just that when they do get it wrong, it has dire consequences.

That takes it straight back to the fact that we're all human, and a police service that doesn't make mistakes is in all certainty a pipe dream. We just need to make sure that when mistakes are made, people are honest and open about it and accept responsibility for their actions and decisions, rather than lie and deceive.

Most police officers, aren't liars.

 

[C36fan]

No I'm not confused at all, I mean exactly what I said. If your dad tells police officers to fck off, no wonder you have the same attitude towards them.

Can only go by what you say. If you didn't mean it, don't say it. No one knows what's inside your mind, we only know what you type on here.

If you didn't exaggerate your post, there wouldn't have been a misunderstanding. If your dad didn't tell the officer to fck off, what impression were you trying to portray saying that he did?

Yeah, I'm pro police, they do one of the toughest jobs out there and with very little or no thanks. I'm not stupid, I know that there are individual incidents where individual officers get things wrong, but using those incidents to blankety stomp on the police isn't the way forward, is it.

I don't like the police either!lol

 

[Deleted member 65149]

It's disappointing but unfortunately not surprising to read the anti-police comments here. It reminds me of many complaints I read on social media about staff at our local clinic and convenience store. People complain about poor staff attitudes and rudeness. Meanwhile many others of us have no problem whatsoever, indeed enjoying friendly customer service. What the complainers fail to realise is that it's their attitude and demeanour that results in the negative reactions. Anybody with any sense knows that getting verbally aggressive with the police achieves nothing. Even when feeling hard done by and falsely accused of whatever, it has to be better to remain calm. As others have said, the police are human too (well, most are anyway!).

 

[ash59fifty-uk]

I don't like the police that much that I don't bother calling them, far quicker sorting things out yourself

In my mind at the moment the only thing I'd 'need' them for is a crime number if anything got broken into or stolen

When it comes to a mental case which has absconded from his address, standing outside your partners house pouring petrol through her letterbox and it takes them 55 minutes to turn up (station is 0.6 miles away from her then house) yet I can get there in twenty minutes after getting pulled on the street before hers

Another case (yet again) of me losing faith, another case of me saying 'haven't you anything better to do' in which case at the time, they really did! Sort it myself and always will

 

[camerafodder]

The BBC ?

The banks
Parliament
Faith based child care organisations
Non-faith based child care organisations

 

[Druk]

This is a fine discussion but what we cannot have is members calling the police by any other name other than POLICE.

Other than this is an open public forum there are very respected members on here who are, or have been, police officers and it simply won't do to have them insulted.

 

[219]

This is a fine discussion but what we cannot have is members calling the police by any other name other than POLICE.

Other than this is an open public forum there are very respected members on here who are, or have been, police officers and it simply won't do to have them insulted.

Seconded .

I well remember being at an event a few years back where a 'gentleman of the press' observed a senior police officer turn up and remarked 'here's the filth' . My colleague , an ex police officer , said to him " just stay there and I'll ask the gentleman over so you can say that to his face " ; needless to say said reporter skulked off and stayed away .

 

[C36fan]

It's disappointing but unfortunately not surprising to read the anti-police comments here. It reminds me of many complaints I read on social media about staff at our local clinic and convenience store. People complain about poor staff attitudes and rudeness. Meanwhile many others of us have no problem whatsoever, indeed enjoying friendly customer service. What the complainers fail to realise is that it's their attitude and demeanour that results in the negative reactions. Anybody with any sense knows that getting verbally aggressive with the police achieves nothing. Even when feeling hard done by and falsely accused of whatever, it has to be better to remain calm. As others have said, the police are human too (well, most are anyway!).

I get pulled by the police very little but any time I have been pulled the individuals I bloody dislike that are called "police " had a terrible approach to me to the point to embarrassing me in public as a adult well mannered try to solve things politely and never lost the cool ,but I can't help to find when the individuals are on duty are rather arrogant .
Said that I met a couple of police officers out of their work ,and they seamed fine .

 

[markjay]

The number is irrelevant - it's what they reveal about police culture from the top down and lack of accountability that is significant.

Yes it is. Isolated cases are not 'culture'. I would hazard a guess that of the 6m soldiers fighting on the British side in WW2, some have committed acts that amount to war crimes, yes unlike the Germans it was not a 'culture', it was isolated incidents. The numbers do count.

 

[Scott_F]

Yes it is. Isolated cases are not 'culture'. I would hazard a guess that of the 6m soldiers fighting on the British side in WW2, some have committed acts that amount to war crimes, yes unlike the Germans it was not a 'culture', it was isolated incidents. The numbers do count.

The cases that I mentioned (and there are many, many others) are absolutely about police culture and I'm surprised that you have failed to see that.

They illustrate the inability of the police to come clean when high-profile mistakes are made and reveal an organisation where everyone from the most senior officers downwards will say and do anything in an attempt to cover their backsides. That's culture for you.

Allow me to once again refer to the Stephen Lawrence case.

Stung by criticism of their investigative failings and revelations about the toxic and corrupt relationship between officers and criminals, the police sought to limit the damage to their reputation by digging the dirt on the Lawrence family - a strategy that came from somewhere at the top (although no one is ever responsible of course). That's culture for you.

As a result, the police family liaison officer who was supposed to help and support the victim's family in the most difficult and tragic of circumstances was instructed to spy on them and find any damaging details about Lawrence family members that could then be leaked to the tabloids in order to try to deflect criticism from the police.

Although they were unable to find anything to pin on the family, they were willing to try to salvage their own reputation by trashing the reputation of the dead lad's family.

Utterly despicable.

And it is this sort of behaviour (and yes, the culture of which it is symptomatic) that does far more damage to public perceptions of the police than the actions of any individual officer who may be rude when dealing with the public.

 

[brucemillar]

My personal view/opinion based on my own and my family experiences with Police.

The vast majority of the Policemen & women that I have come into contact with have been polite & professional. So that is what I always try and hang onto when dealing with them and that is what sets my first reaction to them, if I have deal with them.

Sadly.... There is a also a significant sub-culture within our Police who are not professional or truthful in their day to day dealings with the public. Objecting to this can land you in more trouble than when you started out.

I speak as somebody who had a very close family member murdered and sat through an Old Bailey Trial that was littered with delays, as the Police evidence and procedures were continually brought into question then dismissed. Their attitude to us (the victims) was shocking and not believable to to your average trouble free citizen. This attitude worsened every time another bit of Police evidence was challenged by the prosecution.

What we saw was a Police Service that was lazy, dishonest and arrogant. The impact of which has stained out views on them to this day. In our case the guilty party was eventually sent to prison for life. The judges comments on the Police investigation and attitude were shocking but welcomed by us. The accused had just been released from prison for murdering a Police Officer. Even that it seemed could not make them wake up their lazy ways.

 

[neilrr]

This is a fine discussion but what we cannot have is members calling the police by any other name other than POLICE.

Other than this is an open public forum there are very respected members on here who are, or have been, police officers and it simply won't do to have them insulted.

Can we look forward to a similar levels of outrage & vigilance by mods with regard to posters referring to dealers as 'stealers', gypsies as 'pikeys'', Irish as 'Paddies', Scots as 'Jocks' etc or is it just the feelings of POLICE we are concerned with? Will anyone saying somebody welshed on a deal be immediately & permanently banned?

As a further point of clarification should all references to the POLICE (the force, no the 1980's band) always be capitalised?

TIA.