Rear Facing Speed Cameras in Police Cars?

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  1. cinek

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    This is not the first thread questioning / accusing police of wrong-doing or maybe even abusing their power.
    idiotic copper was the last of this sort.

    Bottom line is that they are not above the law, but to enforce it.
    They may and sometimes they will, use methods which will seem unreasonable and over the top.

    As already mentioned by another poster, exceeding the speed by either marked or unmarked unit, doesn't necessarily require blues and twos each and every time.
    They may need to catch up with someone without drawing too much of an attention. There could be other reasons too, e.g. escort duties.

    What has not been mentioned is that the traffic officers have got a very extensive training in high speed pursuit, which is far beyond to what a normal driver will ever do.

    Regardless how much of a great driver each of us will consider themselves, it will only be a matter of our own opinion and not necessarily a fact.

    What will always remain a fact, is that when you break the law, you should ready yourself to face the consequences of your actions.
     
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    Maybe the cops and Q7 stopped for a kitkat?
     
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    On reflection, I don't think we should be drawn into these type of rants. It's human nature to let off steam in this way, but usually the ranters do know deep down that they are in the wrong.

    We had a member here justifying his father taking credit on his cards and then evading debt collectors 'because the big banks have been ripping everyone off for years' etc etc.

    Similarly people who evade taxes will inevitably either say that they disagree with the government's spending billions on benefit claimants, or point to Starbucks and Amazon.

    Or claim 'entrapment'..

    And so it goes. There is always an 'excuse'. And it's always someone else's fault. Said offenders will always put themselves forward as blameless victims.

    Which is fine. It's a free country and they can claim what they like. Luckily the courts can see beyond these 'arguments'.

    And there is no need for us to engage and further fuel these perfectly understandable but totally wrong outbursts.
     
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    There are very few defences for speeding. Certianly the only ones I've been successful with have been where procedure has not been followed by the police, ticket office or the CPS or courts following being caught, or where signage has been incorrect.

    Speeding past or towards a police car is pretty much like walking up to an officer on the street and swearing at him, you're asking to be reported.

    As for passing the police, I got pulled after passing, on the right, at 70mph, a marked car doing 60 in lane 2 and got a full on lecture that even though he wasn't showing any lights I should not have passed him as it should have been obvious. I challenged him as to why that was the case and the response was "It just is".
     
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    What do you think? You do think, don't you?

    You said you wanted to dislike the above post from meeeb, who said words like entrapment were ridiculous in this context, hence my second sentence about entrapment, which you picked up on.
     
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    Well done, great compilation work.

    (I'm bored of this thread)
     
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    That is ridiculous. I have passed dozens of police cars on the motorway and never had an issue. I have also followed more than one at above the speed limit, nothing crazy, around 80ish.

    Never had an issue.
     
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    There is always a first time believe me.
     
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    I'm sure there is. I tend to stick the cruise control on at 70mph and sit in the slow lane for the majority of my journeys so the chances are pretty low. Really annoys me when everyone slows to the speed of the police car and won't pass...sometimes the coppers are only doing 60 or so!
     
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    Patrol speed is 60mph (or was in my day) partly to avoid such congestion, and there cannot be any reason not to overtake. If the officer(s) want you stay stay behind - a rolling roadblock for example- they'll make it quite clear.

    It's a similar syndrome to the speed camera situation whereby some drivers slow down to 5mph or so below the limit, presuambly 'just to be on the safe side'. Such incompetence is irritating.
     
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    But you keep coming back to it ! :dk:
     
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    No more please. :doh:
     
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    Just to touch on something in this thread

    Say you passed a marked patrol at 75, can they do you for speeding?

    and how would the 10% + 2 work in this situation

    Just curious?
     
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    Well, yes they could,the law says 70, you were doing over it ergo you have broken the law. The 10% plus 2 is a mere concession not a law. They would have to have had a really crappy day to do it though.
     
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    I once saw a police car doing some speed or other and I was doing a different speed but below the speed limit and he didn't pull me over !!


    This was the only post I could think of, I was feeling left out since all other variations have been covered!
     
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    There is a stated case whereby someone overtook a police car that was traveling at exactly the speed limit. The judge ruled that in these circumstances no other verification of speed was required.

    The 10% +2 comes from ACPO guidelines about when a ticket should issued. Note that they are GUIDELINES for police officers to follow but there are always exceptions when it comes to real life situations such as someone overtaking a marked car………………etc.
     
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    I can only assume that somone left his mittens off again and he found a keyboard:D
     
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    "A two-year experiment by the Danish road authorities has revealed that the accident rate has fallen on both single carriageway rural roads and motorways, where the speed limit has been raised.

    Danish authorities made the decision to raise the speed limit from 80 km/h (50mph) to 90 km/h (56mph) on two-way rural roads two years ago and increase certain sections of the motorway to 130 km/h (80mph) from 110 km/h (68mph) nine years ago.

    Results have shown that accidents have decreased on single-carriageway roads due to a reduction in the speed differential between the slowest and fastest cars.

    According to authorities, it has also resulted in less overtaking as the slowest drivers have increased their speeds, but the fastest 15 per cent drive one km/h slower on average, despite the higher limit.

    The move was initially met with scepticism – much like proposals to increase the motorway speed limits in this country – as police feared motorists would drive even faster, but they have now reportedly changed their minds.

    Erik Mather, a senior Danish traffic police officer said: "The police are perhaps a little biased on this issue, but we've had to completely change our view now that the experiment has gone on for two years."

    Fatalities have also decreased on the sections of motorway where the speed limit was raised to 130 km/h (80mph).

    Brian Gregory, the chairman of the Alliance of British Drivers (ABD) – a group in favour of increased speed limits on UK motorways – said: "These findings vindicate what the ABD has been saying for years, that raising unreasonably low speed limits improves road safety by reducing speed differentials and driver frustration."

    He added: "This means reinstating the 85th percentile principle - setting limits that 85 percent of drivers would not wish to exceed.

    "Those who have argued that lower speed limits improve safety have been proved wrong."
     
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