recommend a 2nd hand car <6k for provisional driver

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  1. Doodle

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    I'm fully aware of that, so you can put your plane waving back in your trousers. Do you understand about the dissipation of energy in an collision? Because your statements above suggest not.
     
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    No, you aren't or you wouldn't need to resort to being offensive. It does not advance your argument at all and, for the record, I would sooner have a 100 MPH smash in a Saab 900 than a VW Up because it is much safer (and far less likely to suffer such an accident in the first place by virtue of better design.)
     
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    Being offensive? My, we are a delicate soul.

    I wondered how long it would be before the Up got dragged into this.
     
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    It has been discussed in this thread as an option so why don't you f off and troll somebody else you friggin idiot.
    There, blunt enough for you?
     
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    Only one of us is posturing to crush a nearly new car.
     
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    I suspect tron was referring to the real Saab 900, not the poor imitation re-badged Vauxhall Cavalier.
     
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  7. Well i would be surprised if a 30+ year old design, with wear and tear, and corrosion was safer than a current car but hey life is full of surprises..
     
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    My 190E has an airbag and ABS , but mostly , if I was going to be in a crash , I’d rather be in it than some Pacific rim POS ; it will also handle better than any of them too .

    Classics are generally cheaper to insure , thanks to statistics showing them to be in fewer crashes .
     
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    And that they are a second car, limited to 5000 miles pa to qualify for cheaper classic insurance and are more likely to be used on holidays and high days as opposed to the daily cut and thrust of commuting where the accidents are.

    What this thread has done more than anything else is highlighted that everyone's perception of danger and how best to counter it differs - markedly. Worth remembering the scientific definition of danger: The probability of an event occurring multiplied by the consequences of said event.
     
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    I had a couple of minor bumps in my first couple of years driving ( my faults ) then the bad crash in the W115 when a Crapi came round a bend on the wrong side of the road and hit me head on : I walked away with just a piece of glass in my eye , the unlicensed, uninsured , drunk driver in his allegedly stolen step dad’s car had three broken limbs , broken ribs and was taken away unconscious . Mercedes 1 , Ford 0 on that occasion .

    Since that incident back in 1978 , I’ve always had Mercedes : safest cars on the road .

    I wouldn’t entertain a tiny piece of junk offering little or no crash protection . The more metal around you , the better .
     
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    That’s why so many of those tiny cars are so dangerous, no crumple zones and just a big battering ram of a girder across the front that does disproportionate damage to other more responsibly engineered cars .
     
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    My classics are on normal insurance with business use , typically each do about 20K per year and between one and two hundred to insure .
     
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    I think we're going off subject here.

    Classic cars are for enthusiasts. If so inclined then that is fine.

    Let's face up to the fact that no sensible, normal middle aged man is going to buy a 30y old car for their kids/as a spare family car.

    If they were, we would all be at it.

    I think for the serious enthusiast with good knowledge and ability to pick out a dud, it is an option. For 95% of the population it simply isn't.

    I'm in the latter camp. Looking for something circa less than 5y old, nippy, frugal, cheap to insure, cheap to repair etc etc.

    If I can stick with the German mantra, all the better.
     
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    I consider myself sensible and normal , now a bit beyond middle age .

    I’ve had a couple of newish cars down the years , and quickly learned they were no better than older and cheaper ones .

    The problem with the car buying public in this country is the obsession with the number plate ; perfectly good cars get chopped in For newer and usually inferior replacements .

    I don’t go out looking for ‘Classics’ but would rarely buy anything newer that about 15 years old , since the cars I buy for a few hundred pounds rather than thousands transport me reliably and safely , and in more comfort than something smaller and ten times the price .

    Yes , I’m handy and can work on my own cars , but could equally put them down to the local garage to be robbed .
     
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    My first car in 1981 was a 1968 Mini with a 1275gt engine. My second car in 1982 was a 1972 MGB GT, both old/classic cars.

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    My first car, at 18, was a 17 yr-old Beetle. My second car was a 20 yr-old Beetle. Third car was a company 2 yr-old Escort. No doubt that no 2 was the best car by a country mile. New certainly doesn't automatically equate to better, no matter what the age of the driver.
     
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    So in age terms, equivalent to an ‘06 plate and an ‘09 plate nowadays?

    Might be classics now but surely not at the time :)
     
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    Kids today and yesterday, happy with Isopon plastic padding sill enhancements on 'gratefully received' milestone gifts.
     
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    A small hatch is not always the cheapest to insure. One of the factors in calculating a premium is the likelihood of the insurer receiving a claim on that make / model. So one way to avoid this is to buy something that is less likely to have lots of claims made by owners (ie small cars bought by first time buyers) and cheap to fix.

    I would recommend an insurance check on something like a Kia Magentis or a Proton Persona. Uber un-cool but cheap as chips and owned by *ahem* more mature drivers so less likely that insurance companies pay out on those models.
     
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