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Just waiting on the work installing a petrol + diesel pump so i can commute FOC just like the EV guys.
The "EV is going to save the world" story, is a myth.If anyone's thinking about saving CO2 to save the planet remember that roughly 10 tonnes of CO2 are expended in making a new car.
I just thought it was an interesting graph! It was from the US so not directly comparable and only concentrated on the cost of the fuel to run. The interesting point was the average of 25mpg that new cars do in the States I thought.The "EV is going to save the world" story, is a myth.
IIRC in the EU, all transport (airlines, trains etc included) only accounts for 35% of problem emissions. We have a world of of ~8 billion people most of them in developing countries. The world population has doubled in the last 50 years and that has also mostly happened in developing countries / 3rd world (are we allowed to say 3rd world?).
Emissions are here to stay.
Our little obsession with saving the world and going green energy is why Russia literally have us over a barrel today. They are nett exporters of fossil energy (while at the same time have invested hugely in Nuclear) the UK and the EU are nett importers of fossil fuels.
Have a sniff around "Harry's garage." He had a wind turbine and solar panels installed a few years back, and uses that power to service the PHEV's that he uses as well as various farming kit.I was only looking because I've just had some solar panels installed. I suspect there's a can of worms there as well, but having them is worth it just for the entertainment value of watching the rate it generates electricity. If it carries on at the current rate (and its a big "if") it will pay back in 4 years (including the big battery). When oil eventually becomes so expensive that I have to use an alternative to it for heating, I suspect it will have to be a heat pump. Currently no real savings on running costs there (all electric), but a huge capital investment.
I’d like solar but the payback is too long for me but with teh way electricity prices are going it might be worth a look.Have a sniff around "Harry's garage." He had a wind turbine and solar panels installed a few years back, and uses that power to service the PHEV's that he uses as well as various farming kit.
Can't say that I'm convinced yet about the current effectiveness and reliability of solar panels & batteries, but for sure they're coming.
Bathing every day?Back in the 70s my parents had a solar water heater installed. Family of 6 bathing every day etc. The panels were good enough to lift the water (IIRC) to about 40C and the water heater did the rest. Again IIRC it saved my parents about 25% on their electricity bill.
Yep we could never understand why poms that came to SA smelled so bad......Bathing every day?
Blimey O'Reilly, you lot were posh. Once a week, whether needed, or not.
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Council housing, Guv.Yep we could never understand why poms that came to SA smelled so bad......
My Pal, when he left home shared a flat with two other guy's. Their immersion heater was quite small so could only fill one bath. They had to share the water, so they used to draw lots (was going to say toss for it, but may be misconstrued) to see who was first, second & third. The two other guy's worked on building sites so were pretty filthy. My pal was a window cleaner so relatively clean. When he was third he said it was like lying in sludge & he came out dirtier than he got in.Bathing every day?
Our other car is the wife's Mini. We own it outright so doesn't owe us anything technically. It does 4k miles a year, that is all. An electric would be a no brainer but taking the above example why would I fork out an extra £550 per month for an EV?? I'm not going to save that over a year am I.
I’d like solar but the payback is too long for me but with teh way electricity prices are going it might be worth a look.
Back in the 70s my parents had a solar water heater installed. Family of 6 bathing every day etc. The panels were good enough to lift the water (IIRC) to about 40C and the water heater did the rest. Again IIRC it saved my parents about 25% on their electricity bill.
My friend has one of the first Leasfs.....it now has about a 60 to 80 mile range so needs a new battery.....cost?...about £5400 ....value of car?....about £5000!!.....so whilst trying to be green we have actually invented the disposable car!!We bought a s/h Nissan Leaf - but we did keep the diesel and petrol cars that we have. It has clocked up more miles than our ICE cars over the last year. We mostly charge at home either overnight or from our solar panels. The Leaf has proven to be very cheap to run and there is almost nothing to do servicing wise. It is no Mercedes or BMW but it has surprised me with how competent it is - and the silence sitting in a queue of traffic is very pleasant. So they do work for some people in some scenarios - but I would not have one as an only car.
Stubbled across a discussion about this the other day....in the UK, where we still only make about 50% of our power from renewables, the average EV needs to have done about 60,000 miles to break even on carbon with an ICE car...that's taking running and production carbon cost into account. Not great really. Once it gets to break even point of course its way better than an ICE car.It's not just the affordability of electric cars for low mileage use. There is also the issue that very low annual mileage EV's will take many years or in some cases may never reach the break even point where the lifetime emissions are lower than an IC car. If EV's are going to be more expensive to run and have little or no lifetime emissions advantage you begin to wonder what the point is other than for use in big cities.
What range did it have to start with? As I recall, Leafs didn't have much when they were new, and 60-80 miles is still fine for many use cases. If its no longer suitable for him, why not sell it and just buy a newer one with better range?My friend has one of the first Leasfs.....it now has about a 60 to 80 mile range so needs a new battery.....cost?...about £5400 ....value of car?....about £5000!!.....so whilst trying to be green we have actually invented the disposable car!!
I had read (although not checked out the law myself to verify this) that charging an EV at work is exactly the same as using a fuel card at work for tax purposes, and therefore the fill ups should be correctly logged and BIK paid appropriately. This is a tax that mist be paid and attributed to the individual, and not paid on a blanket basis by the company.None if you work where i do as the EV`s get charged FOC whilst the guys are on shift...
That is a write off big time and a long way from being greenMy friend has one of the first Leasfs.....it now has about a 60 to 80 mile range so needs a new battery.....cost?...about £5400 ....value of car?....about £5000!!.....so whilst trying to be green we have actually invented the disposable car!!
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