Ronnie biggs parole refused

[glojo]

pa.press.net
"A new photograph of Ronnie Biggs shows the ailing Great Train Robber lying bare-chested in his hospital bed.
Biggs, 79, who was refused parole last week, is being treated at the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital after being moved from a nearby prison.
In the picture, sent to MPs by his legal adviser Giovanni Di Stefano, he appears frail with his arms heavily bandaged and tongue lolling out of the side of his mouth.
His son, Michael, said Biggs had pneumonia, plus fractures of the hip, pelvis and spine and could die if he does not respond to treatment. He has suffered three strokes and cannot eat, speak or walk, according to Mr Di Stefano."

I see little point in keeping Ronnie Biggs in prison when even if released has little chance of any freedom or escape from his terminal illness. Is Jack Straw waiting for the inevitable so as to make a point? I say shame on Straw .

Am I missing something here????

Where is Biggs?

Is he in a civilian hospital?

Is he terminally ill?

If he is so ill then he will not go back tpo prison?? (Oquestion)

If he gets better and returns to prison then that mitigation no longer applies.

Am I misreading that post or is he in the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital?

 

[andy_k]

apparently he can only spell out two words on his 'finger board'

MAX CLIFFORD

 

[flango]

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Those two 10year olds behaved in an unbelievable manner and I have no sympathy with them whatsoever, but.......... They were 10 years old.
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I have no sympathy at all and they should have paid with their own lives, Time we stopped the soft options they knew what they were doing and if you cant do the time then dont do the crime. Time for a return to the gallows or chair me thinks .

 

[flango]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarties

Ronnie Biggs, whom again, and I reiterate, is not, and has never been in my opinion a dangerous individual, dishonest yes, but not dangerous.

As I have said you are way off the mark with Biggs, he was a vicious gangland henchman known for violence and pistol whipping his victims, he was also asscociated with more than one murder but there was no proof.

Biggs and the Krays absolutely no difference violent gangland killers, the difference, Intelligence, something the Krays had a lot of and Biggs had none of, being a follower not a leader.

 

[Smarties]

Am I missing something here????

Where is Biggs?

Is he in a civilian hospital?

Is he terminally ill?

If he is so ill then he will not go back tpo prison?? (Oquestion)

If he gets better and returns to prison then that mitigation no longer applies.

Am I misreading that post or is he in the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital?

Ronnie Biggs is presently at the Norfolk & Norwich Hospital….with 3 Prison Guards watching him. They surely could be better utilized if he was ‘free’ and no longer HMP responsibility.

 

[flango]

Ronnie Biggs is presently at the Norfolk & Norwich Hospital….with 3 Prison Guards watching him. They surely could be better utilized if he was ‘free’ and no longer HMP responsibility.

Personally I wouldn't treat him what right has he to "Free" medical care in the UK after he turned his back on this country for a new life in Brazil on the run? The only reason he came back was because he knew the UK would be soft enough to treat him, you think they would have helped him in Brazil? Think again.

 

[glojo]

Ronnie Biggs is presently at the Norfolk & Norwich Hospital….with 3 Prison Guards watching him. They surely could be better utilized if he was ‘free’ and no longer HMP responsibility.

If he is not well enough to be admitted into a prison hospital then yes... Itis MADNESS to play at calling him a prisoner.

Can they release him on licence under the condition he remains in the Norfolk Hospital? If he ever gets well enough to be discharged,then he can have that licence revoked. It is daft to have a guard at his bedside.

Are there three guards or is that a bit of journalistic licence?

 

[Smarties]

If he is not well enough to be admitted into a prison hospital then yes... Itis MADNESS to play at calling him a prisoner.

Can they release him on licence under the condition he remains in the Norfolk Hospital? If he ever gets well enough to be discharged,then he can have that licence revoked. It is daft to have a guard at his bedside.

Are there three guards or is that a bit of journalistic licence?

I have read in a couple of the broadsheets that he has a 3 man guard. Still, an improvement on being handcuffed to a bed, which was reported 4 or so years ago.

 

[andy_k]

send him back to Brazil - he obviously liked it there.

 

[Smarties]

Personally I wouldn't treat him what right has he to "Free" medical care in the UK after he turned his back on this country for a new life in Brazil on the run? The only reason he came back was because he knew the UK would be soft enough to treat him, you think they would have helped him in Brazil? Think again.

Even the American penal system, considered severe by some with capital punishment etc, affords it’s prisoners free healthcare. Indeed prisoners on death row are kept as healthy as is practicable, so that they are in peak fitness when they go to the chair/chamber etc. Yet it appears you are of the opinion that Ronnie Biggs does not deserve any healthcare given his past record. At what point are you suggesting that prisoners should be left to rot. Perhaps skip the imprisonment and just build gallows in the street?

 

[flango]

Even the American penal system, considered severe by some with capital punishment etc, affords it’s prisoners free healthcare. Indeed prisoners on death row are kept as healthy as is practicable, so that they are in peak fitness when they go to the chair/chamber etc. Yet it appears you are of the opinion that Ronnie Biggs does not deserve any healthcare given his past record. At what point are you suggesting that prisoners should be left to rot. Perhaps skip the imprisonment and just build gallows in the street?

Why talk of the American penal system? Yet more smoke and mirrors, lets stick to the facts please. It's Brazil we are talking about, You ever been to Brazil? US prisons are tame by comparison. I was actually in Sao Paulo at the time of the recent rioting let me tell you the cops over there dont mess about and yes prisoners are left to rot without medical care over there and Biggs would never get it as a civilian. If the Great Train Robbery had been in Brazil he would have probably been killed by the police at the scene and we would not be having this debate.

Biggs does not deserve UK healthcare on his past record he has only ever taken from the system not given to it so what right does he have to it?

I wouldn't leave them to rot, murders, child molesters and the like should pay with their lives and I would happily pull the lever or flick the switch without losing one seconds sleep over it.

Not that I am suggesting that about Biggs he should have either been denied entry back into the UK in the first place or left to rot in Brazil. This man ruined countless peoples lives and now he wants tea and sympathy. If he wants a way out then assisted suicide would be the only alternative I could think of, but there is NO NO NO way he should ever be released.

 

[verytalldave]

I have read in a couple of the broadsheets that he has a 3 man guard. Still, an improvement on being handcuffed to a bed, which was reported 4 or so years ago.

What is suspect is the real case here is that there are 3 guards on rotation duty - each doing an 8 hour shift in every 24 hours.
I doubt very much whether all 3 are on duty at any one time.
I believe this is called editorial license.

Obviously 4 (or so) years ago it was deemed a requirement to use handcuffs.
I also think again that a degree of editorial license was exercised here in this piece of reporting. Its often not what IS said, its what is NOT said thats often the interesting point.
I would have an even money bet he was only handcuffed for the short times when the guard was on a break.
Newspapers are notorious for being economical with the truth when it suits their purpose. You must always read between the lines in such an instance.

 

[verytalldave]

A direct quote from "Ronnie Biggs" on the Wikipedia website.................

"Biggs was born in the London Borough of Lambeth, England. In 1947, at age 18 he joined the RAF but was dishonorably discharged in 1949 for desertion and served two years."

Additional history...............
His first police conviction was for stealing from a stationary shop. It was January 1945 and he was 15; over the next few years he was convicted a further nine times. He joined the RAF in 1947, but was dishonourably discharged after breaking into a chemist's for which he received six months in prison. He was then jailed for stealing a car, and it was while serving this sentence that he befriended Bruce Reynolds, the mastermind behind the Great Train Robbery.


Not that any of his pre-train robbery years has any direct bearing on his later years - however, what it does serve to do is illustrate the character and personality of the man we are discussing.
Not what I would describe as an enviable or unblemished history...........
I add this only to serve as extra information that some may be unaware.
Use or discount accordingly as you choose.

 

[glojo]

Newspapers are notorious for being economical with the truth when it suits their purpose. You must always read between the lines in such an instance.

Shock, horror

Noooooo,
The media only ever prints the facts, or the truth.

This issue will soon be on Panorama and we will be able to watch a fair unbias, informative documentary about how there will be three prison guards standing smartly to attention by the bedside of this frail, innocent victim of our cruel prison state.

We should indeed send him to an American Prison. Their hospice has prison nurses, The beds are crammed into open wards and the care is adequate for the conditions. The prison ward I saw would easily contain sixty beds all of which were very close together. Prisoners would squeeze by oxygen bottles or all the other paraphanalia associated with terminally ill patiants.

If there are three warders at the bedside, then how many officers would be involved in his security? Would twelve be adequate?

My own personal thoughts are that I would need a lot of convincing that this report is factually correct, but I doubt it is.

What National Insurance contributions has Mr Biggs made in the previous twenty or thirty years? Should we allow this behaviour?

Should there be a ruling on free entitlement?

 

[purplegoddess]

Originally Posted by Smarties

Ronnie Biggs, whom again, and I reiterate, is not, and has never been in my opinion a dangerous individual, dishonest yes, but not dangerous.


no offence but i wonder if you would have said that if your father had been the one hit over the head??

 

[Baron_Samedi]

I reckon,

Three guards, one every eight hours... sounds better and more sensational if you say THREE guards to secure a sick criminal....

Oh and did Mr Biggs get into gang life by having a reputation for sensitivity to the needs of the people he collected loan payments from?

 

[Apial]

Well I wonder what you think of the imprisonment of Rudolf Hess? Any takers??

 

[flango]

Well I wonder what you think of the imprisonment of Rudolf Hess? Any takers??

Only that Biggs should suffer the ultmimate fate exactly the same as Hess.

 

[Smarties]

Originally Posted by Smarties

Ronnie Biggs, whom again, and I reiterate, is not, and has never been in my opinion a dangerous individual, dishonest yes, but not dangerous.


no offence but i wonder if you would have said that if your father had been the one hit over the head??

No offence taken, but I was not aware that RB hit anyone over the head.

 

[Colin_b]

Only that Biggs should suffer the ultmimate fate exactly the same as Hess.

Really? His own personal prison at huge cost?

I think you are in danger of turning a small time crook who got involved with one big crime and has no convictions for violence who thumbed his nose at authority with war criminals.