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Rover . . .

We are all quite rightly I feel pointing a finger at the cause of the decline of our 'big' industries. However we arevry sadly overlooking a set of VERY brave workers that were completely sold by ................

The deep sea fishing industry.

These brave men would work in conditions that even miners would not tolerate, for perhaps half a miners wage. No trade union closed that side of our fishing industry.

Regards,
John
 
What?????????????????????? Has That Got To Do With Rover????????????????????
 
The collapse of our exporting industries!!! Car manufacturers are exporters??

Sorry to have offended you. Looks like it must be something in the air??

Have a nice day,

John
 
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peterchurch said:
I agree 100% If the miners hadn't played up so much int the 70's there would still be an industry today...

Ooooh! Seems I have been missing a good thread. there should be a "fast-growing thread" alert in the forum software.

The miners' unions certainly chose the date of their demise by trying to take on Maggie (didn't they look at her on the telly reports? Didn't she look like a Woman Not To Be Argued With?) ...but... there is no future for coal in this country when you can bring better-grade coal all the way from South America (and other parts of the World) and land it on our shores - shipping included - at a cheaper price than we can get our own stuff out the ground.

Unlike coal, the car manufacturers have the opportunity to differentiate themselves by making better products than their world-wide competitors (miners are stuck with whatever is in the bottom of the hole). Rover failed to differentiate itself; Rover (through its management and employee attitude) has brought on its own demise. The coal miners were just in the wrong industry at the wrong time.

Anyway, the UK car industry is doing better than ever. This country made more cars last year (and exported most of them) than in any year since 1971 (I think, but I don't have time to web surf to be precise). That the profits go abroad into the pockets of foreign owners makes not one jot of difference to the revenues that the industry brings to these shores. Rover is just a blip in a great success story.

Well, that's my 2p worth.

Philip
 
All right, back on topic. As I am sure will many others (like the creditiors!) I was very surprised to see that:

"There isn't a lot left," Phoenix Consortium vice-chairman Peter Beale said after the group called in advisers from PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).

Rover does not own the ground it builds cars on at Longbridge, having sold it off for £57m before leasing it back.

Nor does it own its brand name - former owner BMW kept that.

Even the vast number of properties it owns and rents to Rover dealerships are so heavily mortgaged that a recent attempt to sell them fell through because the offer was not enough to make it worthwhile.

St Modwen Properties, which leases the Longbridge site to MG Rover, said it was "unlikely" that the site would find a buyer to keep the factory running.
It said redevelopment of the property seemed inevitable. St Modwen bought a 228-acre tranche of the 275 acre Longbridge site in January 2004. MG Rover pays an annual rent of £5m back to the property group.

While most carmakers own their own finance arm, Rover has already lost its own unit. In a controversial transaction, BMW sold Rover's car finance firm MGR Capital directly to the four directors of the Phoenix consortium with the backing of a bank.

"The Parts business was sold off to Caterpillar, so they don't make any money out of their own parts," Nick Matthews industry expert at the Warwick Manufacturing Group pointed out.

"All the real asset value has been switched out of the manufacturing company."

In short, millions of pounds worth of assets have already flown the nest.

Dr Tom Donnelly of Coventry Business School added: "The interesting thing will be - and this is where accountants are going to have a lot of fun - is where's it all gone?"

The company Rover hoped would save it from the brink, Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC), already owns the rights to build two of its models - the Rover 25 and the Rover 75 - together with the right to build Rover engines.

"I don't think it is going to be sold as a going concern," said Professor Garel Rhys at the Cardiff University Business School.

One thing it does still own is the MG brand name. This was also due to be sold to SAIC and, priced at £50m, is one of the most valuable parts of the business.

The production lines themselves may attract buyers in developing countries where out-of-date models are still popular, but these will have deteriorated in value over the years. Their value is likely to be worth around £10m.

Another, albeit unlikely, property asset that Rover does still own is Studley Castle, a Warwickshire stately home which is used as a hotel and conference centre. This is thought to be worth about £8m.

It also has showrooms on Park Lane, London, and the Champs-Elysees in Paris.

"The Chinese have bought the K-series engine and they've already got access to some of the intellectual property," said Dr Tom Donnelly, director of the motor industry observatory at Coventry Business School.

"There isn't really a great deal left."

Ooo errr. Scandal brewing?











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If I was one of the four directors (whose pockets are so comfortably lined and whose pension schemes are so deeply filled), I wouldn't run the risk of walking around the streets of Birmingham late at night...
 
Satch said:
All right, back on topic. As I am sure will many others (like the creditiors!) I was very surprised to see that:

Hi Satch,
At the very great risk of going off topic and being rebuked, how does this compare to Rolls Royce?

Regards,
John
 
BenzComander said:
A friend of mine works for a company that makes parts for Rover; he is a production line manager of the machine shop. When he first started the job he noticed a guy stood by one of the machining centers doing nothing and the machine was not running. When he asked the question what was happening the reply was that the machine had just stopped. He asked the operator why he had not alerted him and the operator replied "It's not my job" :eek: He would have just stood there till the end of his shift! When people have a lack of pride or desire to help their company improve you are fighting a losing battle. Please understand that I am sure there are a great many good people who work for Rover, but it only takes a few to instill some stupid working practices to bring it all down.

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This is why Toyota, when setting up their plant at Burnaston, specifically said they wanted workers that hadn't worked in the car industry.
 
it is not just the 6000 jobs at rover the true figure will be approx 25000 and what jobs in the local area pay £ 25 to 30 k a year ,thus house price's drop and local recession which will have a knock on effect
i think its a shame i support local businesses but these days it is hard to get good service at a good price
a bit like mbz main agents over priced and poor workmanship
 
silverarrow said:
it is not just the 6000 jobs at rover the true figure will be approx 25000 and what jobs in the local area pay £ 25 to 30 k a year ,thus house price's drop and local recession which will have a knock on effect

At the end of the day, it's not Rover's fault that a large number of suppliers will go bust as a result of them stopping production. Is it really smart business practice to rely so heavily on one customer? I'm reffering mainly to suppliers not local shops.
 
anarchy-inc said:
At the end of the day, it's not Rover's fault that a large number of suppliers will go bust as a result of them stopping production. Is it really smart business practice to rely so heavily on one customer? I'm reffering mainly to suppliers not local shops.

Nope! Im sure we all know the saying.

'Never have all you egss in one basket'
 
Thmsshaun said:
Nope! Im sure we all know the saying.

'Never have all you egss in one basket'

There was an interview last night with one supplier who decided to stop trading with Rover a while ago, but he was able to recover without job losses. Guess he is one of the smart ones . . .
 
Satch said:
Another, albeit unlikely, property asset that Rover does still own is Studley Castle, a Warwickshire stately home which is used as a hotel and conference centre. This is thought to be worth about £8m.

"There isn't really a great deal left."

Ooo errr. Scandal brewing?
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I snipped out some of the above.

The Phoenix directors actually own Studley too!
I reckon these guys had the best return on £60K - EVER!
Not sure how their bodies will react to standing upright after they take their noses out of this now almost empty trough!!

The very least the Govt should do is to pursue them all - jointly and severally - to top up the employees pension fund or ELSE!
 
After 20 years working for British coal (a job I loved and still miss the camaraderie) I was made redundant, I now have a great job, there is light at the end of the tunnel and the employees will soon find out.
I realised (like the fox hunting set will have to) that when something goes out of fashion/unprofitable or is plain barbarbaric then you have to move on and retrain.

Someone who worked at Rover once asked why I didn't drive a Rover, I replied why don't you burn coal then I wouldn't have lost my job.

Maggie didn't think twice about complete communities being devastated so 6000 employees is a drop in the ocean.
When I started for the NCB in 1976 there were about 180,000 miners now there are a handful, most of them have been retrained and found work.
I worked in a car factory in Coventry that made the MGF bodyshell and I can tell you its a mind numbingly boring job so they are better out of it.

Dave
 

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