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RWD with LSD vs 4WD ?

You can buy my back burner project - MK3 MR2 that has Audi S8 V8 engine in the back. Another £2k to finish the project and all in it will be half of your £10k budget. 0 to 60 in 3.4 seconds.. if it doesn't kill you first.... :D

Do t be giving me your headaches, I've got enough already!
 
Given that for the majority of car owners the purpose of the vehicle is to transport the driver ,passengers and possibly luggage from A to B under all circumstances then 4WD wins every time simply because its more efficient at translating motive power into forward movement. If on the other hand you regard the vehicle as merely a source of entertainment then other criteria take precedence and how the car drives becomes more important. Often in exchange for more driver feedback and what is termed entertaining handling vehicle stability has to be sacrificed to an extent. This places greater demands on driver skill and also may restrict both the condition and nature of the roads the car can cope with. A car that can achieve both is indeed a rarity to be treasured and if such cars exist then their quality of handling might be appreciated by more owners if their handling was not compromised by manufacturers continuing to fit unfeasably wide low profile tyres as standard fitment as mere fashion statements rather than for any handling reasons. :doh:

Efficiency is definitely a consideration, comparing 4WD to 2WD. Think of 4WD as carrying an additional four sacks of cement in the car for the lightest setups. Worse still, some of it is not sprung. Every time you accelerate, corner, stop or even maintain speed, this added weight makes itself felt.

Then add the friction losses and there is a significant penalty to carrying / turning all that hardware. Maintenance, packaging and complexity can also be an issue. 4WD is fine provided the benefits are real to you.

It's also a common misconception that the neutrality of a car that can be rotated using weight transfer, braking or with acceleration, is only be felt near 'the limit'. There is always an element of slip when cornering, even moderately. This is partly how the tyres chemically bond to the road providing grip.

Your backside is quite adept at feeling these nuances, which along uncorrupted steering and many other factors, can make a car feel engaging, fluid and enjoyable. Or dead to the world and lifeless, with only one predominate handling characteristic - a willingness to scrub wide everywhere.

I do agree that the steamroller sized tyres fitted on even some pretty mundane motors these days, can dull the experience somewhat The complete opposite to a GT86, which was just fantastic to drive and so willing to rotate, it's impossible not to become a hooligan :thumb:

A few years ago, WRC cars were frequently outpaced on tarmac by two wheel drive cars such as the F2 306 Maxi. They did have a power / weight advantage, but were massively down on torque and electronic trickery. Obviously they stood no chance on anything loose.

It's great to have all these options out there. The more driver orientated cars on the market, the better :cool:
 
Lambo make a RWD and a AWD version of the Huracan. It would be good to see a head to head as this would be one of the few cars that could put it to the test using the same platform.
 
lambo make a rwd and a awd version of the huracan. It would be good to see a head to head as this would be one of the few cars that could put it to the test using the same platform.

911?
 
I have owned several Toyota Celica GT4 Turbo's including a very rare Carlos Sainz, homologation model. The 4 wheel drive mated to the engine and gearbox was so good that the roof flexed jamming the sunroof (who needs a sunroof in a car like that?)

Some of the best fun I have had in a car whilst keeping my pants on.

The single biggest issue being than when it let go of traction, you stood a good chance of visiting A & E as the letting go was a snap with no real warning. For the brave the cure to the snap was to floor the accelerator.
 
With the increasing use of electrical or hybrid powered vehicles its possible that the increased weight and transmission losses of 4wd systems may indeed preclude their use in these vehicles where low drag is important . That said electric motors and cables may obviate those transmission losses or even result in a split traction system like the BMW i8 with its rear wheels petrol driven and its front wheels electrically powered?
 
With the increasing use of electrical or hybrid powered vehicles its possible that the increased weight and transmission losses of 4wd systems may indeed preclude their use in these vehicles where low drag is important . That said electric motors and cables may obviate those transmission losses or even result in a split traction system like the BMW i8 with its rear wheels petrol driven and its front wheels electrically powered?

Yeah, it seems that's the way things are headed :)
 
It won't be long before all cars will have 4 electric motors all working independently and no brakes will be needed as it will all be done by the motors.
 
The Tesla S 4WD versions do this already.....one (mechanicaly decoupled) motor at each end...

0-60 in 2.8 Seconds in the fastest one.... not too shabby.

If that's the future for performance cars, I'm all for it.

I would imagine that with a bit of software hacking, you could make it handle like an ultra-safe wrong-wheel-drive car or a 1958 Frogeye Sprite........to suit whatever mood you were in.

Sadly, WAY beyound my the capacity of my wallet though....
 
The only disadvantage of the Tesla setup is that because the motors are discrete the fundamental torque split front-to-rear is fixed. Also, I seem to recall that the front motor is more powerful than the rear so essentially you have a FWD-biased car :D
 
Balls to it . Quaife going in my car Wednesday . Hopefully it will remedy the spin up issues then i dont need to back to Audi ! ( well not until i can afford an R8 anyway ) ...
I will let you know my thoughts ...
 
Balls to it . Quaife going in my car Wednesday . Hopefully it will remedy the spin up issues then i dont need to back to Audi ! ( well not until i can afford an R8 anyway ) ...
I will let you know my thoughts ...

Great!
 
You will be happy with the quaife, it made a bid difference in my car. These RWD cars however cannot compare to the R8 especially on the road. Both my SL and R8 have built in understeer but the R8 has much less and I am quite sure I will be able to dial it out with a few mods. The SL on the other hand has taken a lot of work and is still having tweaks to try to get more traction and balance.
 
Is the awd system on the R8 different to the other Audi set ups ?
 
Is the awd system on the R8 different to the other Audi set ups ?

The original R8 used the old Viscous coupling system. The new R8 has a RWD based Haldex clutch, which can also engage the front axle, like 996/997 4WD 911s.

Even the V10 has great traction being mid-engined though.
 
Yes, even the origional R8 allowed for a more rear wheel biased power delivery. The traction coming out of corners is amazing.
 

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