S211 E500 Estate 2003 3 owner 155k £3250 7 Seater

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  1. MikeInWimbledon

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    Looks like a pretty crisp looking higher mileage 3 owner car.

    Sell those the 2nd set of AMG wheels and you've got £500 off.

    Useful specification with the seven seats, sunroof, and light interior.

    Will it be reliable? Depends a bit on the last owner, but good chance. Looks like it's coming from a good Surrey home

    Here's the ad: Auto Trader logo


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    Wondering if the Offset is incorrect with the rear wheels? Looks clean though
     
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    Nice car. Same colour exterior and interior as our S211. Shame mines not a 7 seater. The 320 CDI does really pack a punch when the road allows it.

    Shame, mine is a bit sick at the mo hope to have it back soon. I do love the S211 estates. Made like tanks as are the W211. Such a solid car.
     
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    I know this vehicle in question is a E500. But does the age still put it in the Glycol contamination range?

    Going by the pictures the seats and interior look clean as does the body work.

    Never driven a 500 model but have been told they are fantastic. And read similar also. But like said the 320 CDI can go some too.
     
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    They are indeed very nice to drive; for my money, best-balanced of all the S211 estates, though I've not driven the n/a 5.5, but I've had 55Ks and the E320 IL6 and V6 diesels. Unless, of course, you want to rag it, in which case you're better off with the E55K, it has plentiful power and torque. It's an Elegance, so relatively soft suspension as standard and the 17" wheels; very good motorway cruiser. Despite what the ad says, it doesn't have the part-wood steering wheel, which would set the interior off a treat.

    I'd not worry about the glycol contamination issue; at that mileage, if it's not gone pop already (and been fixed), it probably never will.
     
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    Be interesting to see if it has been fixed/ had updated radiator and parts.
    As I have very well found out the Glycol contamination can arise with higher mileage than this vehicle has accumulated.
     
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    I thought that too but I read a thread recently about this very issue on a car with 215k!
     
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    207,000.00 I decided to get mine looked at. The glyco symptoms olny started just before Christmas. When I become aware I hardly drove the car.

    Being an April 2004 build, it must be one of the last to have the Valveo rad. I thought it was late 2003 the Valveo rads were last fitted .
     
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    Pretty rare, then, isn't it? Of course, it may not have a Valeo rad anyway, it may have a Behr, or it may have had the problem and it has been sorted. Apart from checking for the symptoms on a test drive, and taking a look at the rad to see which type it has, I'd still not worry about it.
     
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    For anyone who is tempted to purchase a 2003 early 2004 car. Check to see if the car has the Valeo rad fitted. Also look in the cars history to see if the car has had the uprated parts installed.

    The very reason I went 2004 and after was to avoid this very problem.

    The most obvious symptom that points to Glycol is vibration through the rear diff at low and high speeds. Also shifts jerky up and down the box. Revs flutuating around 1,200 to 1,800 rpm could point to TC lock up failure so not always the Glyco symptoms.

    Also regular transmission oil changes at the correct intervals is a good sign the car is in decent shape. As the glycol symptoms could be identified very early on.
     
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    Fair points about the glycol issue, but worth remembering that this is a Familienwagen which will probably cost someone £2,500 net, with a bit of haggling, and the sale of the spare set of AMG wheels.

    With just three owners in those 150k miles, chances are that they've been happy with its reliability so far.

    And, of course, it's ULEZ compliant, for anyone thinking of driving the thing in London, and has none of all those other diesel-related maintenance costs.
     
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    A similar (but more shabby) black E500 Estate was up for £2990 recently and sold within a week or two, seems plenty of demand for these.
     
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    This is MB's bulletin on the glycol contamination issue. I knew I had it somewhere:

    "Symptoms: Humming/droning noises, or jolting during gentle acceleration between engine speed of 1200 - 2500 rpm -

    Topic number



    LI27.55-P-019975

    Version



    2

    Group number



    27.55 Transmission oil cooling

    Date



    04-18-2005

    Validity


    Model series 203 up to production date 9/2003 with M111/271/112/OM646/OM611/612.990 and automatic transmission 722.6
    Model series 209 up to production date 9/2003 with M271/112/113/OM612 and automatic transmission 722.6

    Model series 211 up to production date 9/2003 with M271/113/OM628/647/648 and automatic transmission 722.6

    Reason for change


    English text version revised

    Complaint During gentle acceleration humming/droning noises can occur in the speed range between 1200 - 2500 rpm. Likewise it cannot be ruled out that the vehicle will jolt in the rpm range stated.

    The complaint can be reproduced at any time.


    Cause The complaint can be caused by a faulty transmission control unit, a torque converter lockup clutch which has not been adapted, a fouled torque converter lockup clutch disk or by glycol in the transmission oil, see Tips documents.


    Remedy CAUTION:
    Always work through steps 1-4 in sequence:

    1.) The complaint is no longer reproducible after disengaging the torque converter lockup clutch on an experimental basis. Deactivate the torque converter lockup clutch for one ignition sequence using DAS. Menu in DAS: Control units > Drive > ETC > Diagnosis routines > the torque converter lockup clutch can now be deactivated in transmission mode "W" or "C".

    2.) Only on model series 211 up to chassis end number 089500:
    Check transmission control unit: AF27.10-P-9100AG

    3.) Perform torque converter lockup clutch adaptation as per documentation in TIPS

    4.) The following basic conditions must exist:
    If the complaint is still present after carrying out test steps 1-3, the glycol test is to be carried out if the vehicle was produced before 9/2003, a Valeo radiator is fitted (perform visual inspection - crimping must be visible, see annex "Valeo") and the mileage is >10,000km.

    Instructions for glycol test (see also annex "Glycol test"):
    1. Fill 0.5 ml of transmission oil with the pipette in the small glass container (see picture 1).
    2. Fill with distilled water to 5 ml (see picture 2).
    3. Add a drop of "Tenside" (see picture 3).
    4. Add a microspoon of "Periodic acid" and rock the small glass container (see picture 4).
    5. Allow to stand for five minutes (see picture 5).
    6. Add ten drops of "caustic acid solution" (see picture 6).
    7. Allow to stand for three minutes (see picture 7).
    8. The sample separates into two layers; an upper and a lower layer. Immerse the syringe into the lower layer and take up approx. 4 ml of the lower layer using the syringe (see picture 8).
    9. Pour the fluid taken up through the filter into a clean small glass container (see picture 9).
    10. Immerse test sticks in the filtered solution for approx. 2 seconds, shake and wait for one minute reaction time (see picture 10). It is essential to adhere to the timing specifications otherwise a corruption of the test results occurs.
    11. Compare the color of the test sticks with the color zones on the test tubes (see picture 11).

    Carry out the repair procedure corresponding to the test result:
    - Up to 100 mg/l of glycol in automatic transmission fluid-oil: Do not carry out a repair. Contact technical workshop service personnel.

    - As of 100 mg/l up to 400 mg/l: Exchange radiator and converter. Clean/flush lines.

    - As of 400 mg/l exchange radiator, converter and transmission. Clean/flush lines. Return shipment of a transmission oil sample required.

    The entire scope of repair must be invoiced to damage code 2743104. If the transmission is replaced, type of repair 1 should be used (unit inquiry with detail of the replacement part costs in € and number of work units).

    Operation number: G 02 4609 0 glycol test

    IMPORTANT:
    Return shipment of transmission oil sample.
    A transmission oil sample (at least 200ml) must be removed from the vehicle subject to complaint and sent back via the usual channels in the oil sample container mentioned below with the old part (transmission) or also without the old part to the Market Performance Center (MPC). If this is not complied with we reserve the right to reject the warranty application.


    Attachments
    Allocation
    File
    Designation
    CauseValeo.jpg Valeo radiatorRemedyGlycoltest.JPG.jpg Instructions

    Symptoms
    Symptom
    power transmission / Power transmission, function / Vibrationspower transmission / Automatic transmission / Automatic transmission - noises / Generalpower transmission / Automatic transmission / Automatic transmission - noises / Humming/droningpower transmission / Automatic transmission / Automatic transmission - function / Shiftspower transmission / Power transmission, noise / Humming/droning

    Parts
    Part number
    Designation
    Quantity
    Note
    EPC
    Non-EPC
    A0009890009Glycol test 1 (only use together with glycol test 2)1Ensure that safety glasses are worn during the glycol test.
    It is essential to comply with time details; otherwise it may be that the measured value result is distorted.
    The Glycol Test has a shelf life of 18 months when stored at 15-25 C°.
    A glycol test kit is designed for 30 tests.XA0009890014Glycol test 2 (only to be used together with glycol test 1)1XW00058949980 0Oil sample container with label1Inscribe label of oil sample containerX

    Operation numbers/damage codes
    Op. no.
    Time
    Damage code
    Note
    Operation text
    2743104

    Production measures
    Model designation
    Allocation
    Production from
    Production up to
    Scheduled production breakpoint
    Production measures
    203Vehicle9/2003Introduction of revised sealing concept on Valeo radiators209Vehicle9/2003Introduction of revised sealing concept on Valeo radiators211Vehicle9/2003Introduction of revised sealing concept on Valeo radiators

    Validities
    Vehicle
    Engine
    Transmission
    Major assembly (1)
    Major assembly (2)
    Major assembly (3)
    E-Class 211271722***E-Class 211647722***CLK 209112.955722.618***CLK 209112.912722.696***CLK 209271722***C Class 203646722***C Class 203612.990****C Class 203111722.616***C Class 203112722.668***C Class 203112722.618***C Class 203112722.696***C Class 203112722.667***C Class 203271722.695***211.226648.961722.626***211.026648.961722.626***211.028628.961722.639***211.276113.990722.643***211.076113.990722.643***211.283113.969722.672***211.083113.969722.672***211.270113.967722.901***211.070113.967722.901***211.070113.967722.633***209.375113.968722.633***209.475113.968722.633***

    This shows all the chassis numbers that are affected too.

    This document is hot off the press.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]



    Posted by Black C55 in 2007"
     
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    We were right: This E500 estate was sold within the first three days of listing on Autotrader.

    Someone's got a gem that will be good for another 100,000 miles or so.

    Wonder if we'll see it on here, or on a forecourt ?
     
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    Not surprised at that price. It's put me off selling mine!
     
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