Safe use of jacks

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When you guys are working on regular height cars, where do you place the axle stands - under suspension components or chassis? Where do you place the jack to get the required height for the axle stands - under crossmember at front?, diff at rear?, where at the rear on a FWD car? Anyone use bottle jacks? Does the requirement for a trolley jack to move on its wheels to compensate for the arc the lifting pad traverses during ascent/descent cause difficulty? Any particular difficulty that you'd like solved re jacking for axle stands?

As an example, a constant difficulty I encounter is finding a jack lifting point close enough to where the axle stand(s) will be placed without the two fighting for the same space and/or the vehicle be destabilised when lowered onto the axle stand when too far apart.
 
When you guys are working on regular height cars, where do you place the axle stands - under suspension components or chassis? Where do you place the jack to get the required height for the axle stands - under crossmember at front?, diff at rear?, where at the rear on a FWD car? Anyone use bottle jacks? Does the requirement for a trolley jack to move on its wheels to compensate for the arc the lifting pad traverses during ascent/descent cause difficulty? Any particular difficulty that you'd like solved re jacking for axle stands?

As an example, a constant difficulty I encounter is finding a jack lifting point close enough to where the axle stand(s) will be placed without the two fighting for the same space and/or the vehicle be destabilised when lowered onto the axle stand when too far apart.
The biggest issue for me is that on most vehicles the logical place to put stands is the same place you lift it with the jack.That said, our Leon Estate also has a set of hard points hidden by plastic covers which are apparently where the bodyshells are attached to the jig during construction and are what the dealership uses for the 4 post lift arms.Handy when you know about it.
The BMW has a central jack point under the front, but it's set too far back and the car sits low. I can just about limbo my low profile trolley jack under, but it doesn't have the reach.
 
The biggest issue for me is that on most vehicles the logical place to put stands is the same place you lift it with the jack.
Yep, same observation here.
Would something like the combined jack and stand below be of use? Raise the vehicle with a centrally positioned (eg, under diff) trolley jack just high enough to get the jack/stands in place then continue the lifting with them until required height is achieved then lock the stand and relax the hydraulics?

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Yep, same observation here.
Would something like the combined jack and stand below be of use? Raise the vehicle with a centrally positioned (eg, under diff) trolley jack just high enough to get the jack/stands in place then continue the lifting with them until required height is achieved then lock the stand and relax the hydraulics?

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That's a neat piece of kit and certainly takes away the worry of using stands on suspension components ; especially on the BMW which uses a fair amount of aluminium parts.
 
When you guys jack under the sills are you jacking directly onto the so called 'pinch welds'? If so, do you place anything between the jack and the sill. eg. hockey puck?
Same question as above but for axle stands.
When/if using axle stands under the sills, where do you jack to get to stand height?
 
 
Just another warning about safe jack and axle stand use......Last weekend the husband of a friend of my wife stupidly worked under his car just on the factory jack.....it collapsed on him causing internal and head injuries....He's been getting better all week.....but yesterday he took a turn for the worse and passed away. Probable brain bleed. Now just for clarity I never met the man so no condolences required...... just use it as a warning to you all. NEVER.... EVER....go under a car that's not supported on axle stands or ramps.... not just the jack no matter how expensive it might be.
 
Just another warning about safe jack and axle stand use......Last weekend the husband of a friend of my wife stupidly worked under his car just on the factory jack.....it collapsed on him causing internal and head injuries....He's been getting better all week.....but yesterday he took a turn for the worse and passed away. Probable brain bleed. Now just for clarity I never met the man so no condolences required...... just use it as a warning to you all. NEVER.... EVER....go under a car that's not supported on axle stands or ramps.... not just the jack no matter how expensive it might be.
That's awful.
I have to admit that when I've got a car in the air, even on stands I still keep the jack under it and also generally shove the spare wheel under a sill; just in case......
 
That (ALFAitalia's post) is a horrible thing to have happened - and needless too.
My 'car' is a high built SUV and I can do all work underneath (eg, remove/refit engine and transmission pans) that doesn't involve wheel removal without having to raise the vehicle. With other cars that require raising no matter how safe I make it there's always that anxiety of 'what if'. It took working on my Suburban for me to realise that.
 

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