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well said chomper


just in case you catch me

Tsk! All these constant challenges. I can't see why you think you will outrun a 1.8 focus estate in that Porsche of yours :p

Anyway, I no longer catch motorists for the most part. I've sent 2 burglars to jail in the last fortnight- And for reference I currently have someone stewing in one of our luxury en-suites for me to deal with tomorrow morning :D

Just before anyone suggested I should be out catching burglars or anything :D :D :D
 
If I was you, I would go back to the scene of the offence, and observe carefully, whether the synchronisation of the lights from both perspectives were perfectly co-ordinated: It could be that when the old bill saw red, when your lights were on amber. If there is as much as a second delay, you could argue on a technicality that this does not conclusively prove that you had committed any such offence.
 
Mr SSBB. We are from the same neck of the woods. I agree that there is some appalling driving on the roads. I am constantly wondering how the hell most of these people have licenses in the first place. A Driving Licence is a consumer product, and if we could strip the road of people who can't drive, including people who shouldn't (ie. Uninsured East Europeans who pay no insurance, and the flood of people buying Polish cars because they are quick to catch on) wouldn't the road be a more pleasurable place.
 
physician heal thyself

Sorry, I really don't think this follows. A truck DRIVER, by nature, has to drive for a living- Therefore cannot do their job if banned.

If prosecuted for Drink/driving as a police officer, you will almost certainly lose your job. That I think is enough... Sacking people for speeding when their job doesn't necessarily involve it...

Sorry , missing something here - I frequently sign contracts where I have to possess a full UK driving license with no points (minor infringements OK) - what about police officers ? If I did what he did I wouldn't be able to work and I don't work as a driver just like him.

How about this guy needing to attend a serious incident , what is he going to do ? turn up on a pushbike?

It is nothing more than dual standards - 100's of people suffer from their own stupidity - this guy should of done as well , some sort of example he is to Joe Public.
 
Mr SSBB. We are from the same neck of the woods. I agree that there is some appalling driving on the roads. I am constantly wondering how the hell most of these people have licenses in the first place. A Driving Licence is a consumer product, and if we could strip the road of people who can't drive, including people who shouldn't (ie. Uninsured East Europeans who pay no insurance, and the flood of people buying Polish cars because they are quick to catch on) wouldn't the road be a more pleasurable place.

Now I'm glad you pointed that out - when I mentioned it there was quite a response . I happen to agree with your sentiment .
 
To be sacked for speeding is a bit harsh, but I would suggest this person is guilty of fetching his Police Force into disrepute and when it is a Chief Constable then there should be severe consequences.

There will always be 'strange' characters in any walk of life but I find it very hard to believe anyone would knowingly report their own mother-in-law for a defective number plate. I most certainly have no reason to disbelieve this but it does seem more like an urban myth.

Regards
John


No John, it isn't . Chief Constable he may be , does that mean that there is no requirement for him to occasionally drive ?

Officer Driscoll was quite a phenomenon in our sleepy little village a few years back - there were no grey areas, not for anyone, and he had given a local officer a good tap on the shoulder in public when he heard that he had a habit of frequenting the local masonic meetings and driving home the worse for wear .
It was quite convenient for the other boozers to know that they could rely on having a local bobby who shared their penchant for a sherbert, many people kept their licenses (and these were professional people) when they should have been up before the magistrates.

Officer Driscoll changed all of that .

I had quite a lively discussion with him regarding the ignition system of my van at the time - it required a screwdriver to start it and he maintained that a key was required - as I pointed out , not any screwdriver would do and therefore the screwdriver I was using could be considered as a key.
He was quite a stickler for the details and rightly so.

I expect he has long since been pensioned off and is probably in a twilight home for the tormented issuing tickets for bald tyres on wheelchairs.
 
Fred, fred, fred, :D (there's three of them)
First off we want to see more bobbies on our streets, the next minute we want to sack them if they are not allowed to drive! The way I read your argument is that if a person is employed as a driver and they loose their licence for a protracted period, then they should be sacked?

We need a serving police officer to confirm this and my question is: do you need some sort of permit to drive a police vehicle?

If the answer is yes then it follows that there are officers who may not have a permit, or either had it removed or suspended?

Driving is not the main task of an officer's work and if they cannot drive then put them on the streets, not in an office.

We also had your Officer Driscoll character patrol the area where I used to live. He used to book EVERY car that faced the wrong way at night, and would deliberately hide at a traffic light controlled roundabout to catch cars going through red lights at 3am. This was a very quiet road with total visibility on this roundabout.

If Carrot Chomper actually caught these burglars without a tip-off from the public, then a big well done, if not..... then you are at least doing what we pay you for. :)

Regards
John
 
Driving is not the main task of an officer's work and if they cannot drive then put them on the streets, not in an office

In a compassionate case where an officer is unable to drive through injury then yes I agree - but not in this case , in saying that, I'd like to see him walking the beat for the duration of the ban , would be a good demonstration of fairness. So this guy get's his license back - how is the police insurers going to see this ?

Military personel didn't used to have to hold a UK license - they "policed" themselves but I'm pretty sure that to drive any police vehicle an policeman requires at the very least a UK DL plus possibly other police training dependant on the class of vehicle .

Let's face it , if an HGV driver can't work then unless he has a very understanding employer who can find him yard work then he is down the road - simple as that .

If I apply for a UK contract and my license shows a ban for speeding , chances are I won't get it - I am at a loss as to why this guy should be a special case . I listen to serving officers criticize the terrible standards of driving in the UK - and one of their own does the self same thing , but he of all people should exercise a standard of care above that of Joe Public because of his knowledge and position - effectively he should know better.
 
If Carrot Chomper actually caught these burglars without a tip-off from the public, then a big well done, if not..... then you are at least doing what we pay you for. :)

Regards
John

Tip off? No, well obviously someone had to report the burglary for me to know about it!

Intelligence, forensics, research, creative interviewing... That's how they were cleared up.
 
Tip off? No, well obviously someone had to report the burglary for me to know about it!

Intelligence, forensics, research, creative interviewing... That's how they were cleared up.


What no waterboarding??? Slipping............:)
 
A tip - if you have a lodger - and it doesnt work out - they have rights that make eviction difficult. BUT if you provide a breakfast and that only has to be cereal and coffee or similar then technically it is bed and breakfast and you wont have that problem.

Conversely that is running a business and that may be against the covenants on the flat - is taxeable - and your mortgagor may object, whereas you're allowed to earn around £3.5k a year renting out a room before taxed.

Best to get a work mate - someone you know etc
 
This morning I went through a red? amber? light at a junction. Traffic cops were the second car at the junction wating for the green light so they could turn right.

They said it was red, I said it was amber. They were not behind me so how could they tell? They issued me with a fixed penalty and threatened that if I appealed they would recommend a charge of dangerous driving.

I felt a bit hard done the rest of the car journey to the office. When I looked at the fixed penalty I noticed that the police officer had stated the wrong street name on the form.

Is it worth taking a chance?( I have no points on liscence)

Also If I accept the fixed penalty(3 points and £60) am I admitting guilt?

What would you do? Thanks.

Craig
Go see a lawyer who specialises in the road traffic acts.
 
Tip off? No, well obviously someone had to report the burglary for me to know about it!

Intelligence, forensics, research, creative interviewing... That's how they were cleared up.
:devil: :devil: So you were sat on your fat back-side in a nice warm office and the poor sop confessed?? :D

Happy New Year
John
 
:devil: :devil: So you were sat on your fat back-side in a nice warm office and the poor sop confessed?? :D

Happy New Year
John
The benefits of skill and experience:)
 
Back to the OP, ignoring THAT remark...

To successfully prosecute a red light case the officers must be able to see YOUR red light and YOUR stop line. I think there is case law on the subject. Obviously this would be invalidated if the margins were so great as to eliminate doubt.

If you do not think you're guilty, go for court.

Wrong - I have has successful prosecutions where my light has been green and a car has driven across my priority!

If my light is Green - yours will be red! its that simple.

Traffic cop for 5 years!
 
in which county?
If your light is green will that wash in court?
Thre are corrupt coppers out there as well (not saying you are)just like in every field of work and you may have to prove your case.
None of that crap in secret policemen going on here.
just go to court and say hey my light was green so johny drivers must be red too.
 
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If my light is Green - yours will be red! its that simple.

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No, but, yeah but, no but lights have to have yearly maintenance, right, and if a sparrow farted yesterday they are broke, innit

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I didn't know that, actually... Don't tend to deal with a lot of red light jumpers now in CID- Although did successfully follow a stolen vehicle the other day until they pulled in at KFC Avonmeads- And arrested all 3!

So, (Rest of forum yawns)- TJ, or sneaky beaky?
 
Wrong - I have has successful prosecutions where my light has been green and a car has driven across my priority!

If my light is Green - yours will be red! its that simple.

Traffic cop for 5 years!
Isn't this a case of where the accused will have to prove their light was defective?

Witnesses (PLURAL) state light was green then accused MUST prove their light was defective or not working?

John
 

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