SL 3.0 M103 headaches

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Mark300SL

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The SL has been off the road for the last 9 months and due to work/race commitments I just didn't have time to deal with it.

So feeling suitably guilty for the last few weeks I set about it swapping a load of parts and getting it ready for MOT.
All new brakes were fitted pads/discs/handbrake, Brake fluid change' New tyres, oil & filters etc . As it was low on fuel I put about 2 gallons in from a local Total station (where I always fuel) to be sure it would have enough to get to the test and on to the workshop for the finishing touches.

All through this I had it running/ticking over with its usual Swiss watch reliability. So I booked it in for MOT this morning and set off and for the first couple of miles it was absolutely fine - then the gremlin struck

It started to missfire slightly under light load but cleared if I gave it a little throttle. Thinking it might be a bit of damp in the ign system somewhere I continued to the MOT hoping it would clear.

The 5 mile journey turned into an absolute nightmare. Every time I came to a halt it would miss slightly - but any attempt to pull away resulted in it cutting out. having been caught at a set of lights on a major roundabout for 9 changes of the lights I finally got it moving and it was fine until the next roundabout. Another 3 sets of lights and I was finally at petrol station (to add another couple of gallons just in case) prior to the MOT station. At the test station I went through a load of underbonnet checks looking for air leaks etc before it was time for the test.

Although it took about 10 mins to start it having cranked it at least 20 times amazingly it flew through the MOT. Although the car must have relented because the idle behaved just long enough to get a cat test pass :D

Outside I ran it for about an hour waiting for Eddie to escort me back to the workshop just in case and I went through everything again.

After idling and driving around the yard for an hour it started to clear slowly. It then covered the 25 miles to the workshop with a slightly rough cruise which felt slightly similar to out of balance rear tyres and hasn't been as bad but it still certainly isn't right. The couple of times I gave it some full throttle to try and clear it Eddie reckons he smelt it overfuelling



I have a feeling this is fuel distributor or and old fuel/filter issue. However I would be grateful for any advice if they have seen a similar situation. Modern EFi systems I can deal with - but mechanical K-Jet is really stretching my memory here! If the car hadn't been so incredibly reliable over the last 8 years I may have had to understand it better and it might had been less taxing. But I literally have had to do nothing to it bar changing normal service items.

To recap

Symptoms
Will start when cold and run no problem
once warm feels "rough" as if it has a cylinder out or is overfuelling
will tick over with a an occasional very slightly lumpy idle but has problems pulling away from stationary without stalling
Once moving rough running returns
Possibly heavily overfuelling at 70% + throttle

Checked
All vacuum hoses and connections around the fuel distributor
OVP relay fuse and relay connections (no spare relay to try)
All relays under the bonnet for signs of any corrosion and secure fitment
The longer it ran the better it became but even after 3 hours it wasn't right!


Any ideas appreciated - but I probably wont see the car again now until Tuesday due to work commitments. At this point I will swap plugs, leads, distributor cap and rotor arm as these have been on for nearly 3 years and were due replacement anyway.


Cheers


Mark
 
hi
i love the old k jetronic, even though havent worked on one since the old golf gti days. check cold start solenoid. from the symptons it sounds like its stuck.
good luck
Abby
 
Symptoms
Will start when cold and run no problem
once warm feels "rough" as if it has a cylinder out or is overfuelling
will tick over with a an occasional very slightly lumpy idle but has problems pulling away from stationary without stalling

Dizzy cap.
 
Well it was on my list to do this week anyway

Cheers guys


Mark
 
Sometimes if a car has been sitting along time moisture accumulates inside the distributor body. Initially the car runs fine but as the engine heats up this moisture vapourises inside the distributor cap causing misfiring. Other possibility is the electrohydraulic pressure regulator or fuel distributer has gone faulty or jammed due to old fuel gumming things up.
 
I've had a nagging thought for long enough that the dizzy caps on these 104 engines are too tightly sealed cos of the O ring they sit on. I wonder if introducing some form of ventilation would be a good thing. A small hole top and bottom on the cap edge with a thin pipe attached and led away from the engine??

I worked on boats all my life and ventilation was always a cure for damp.

What d'you all think?
 
I went through the same symptoms with both my 300TE after a few months lay up and my 300TE-24 when I just bought it ( and it had been unused for 3 months or so ) .

Each time the cars would start fine from cold , would drive fine for between 2 to 5 miles until warmed up then would misfire and eventually cut out - would not restart unless left for a couple of hours to completely cool down . I twice got stuck a couple of miles from home with the first car . When the same problem occurred with the second car , I knew what to do .

With the first car I suspected the dizzy cap , changed that and the rotor - no difference . Fuel filter - no difference .

Somebody said to me it might be the spark plugs - on inspection the old ones did look somewhat fouled , so I put in a new set of HGK's and all was well !

Worth a try if you haven't already replaced them and will certainly do no harm .
 
Dizzy cap....these 3.0 engines hate being left standing.....the cap tends to corrode on its contacts.
 
Dizzy cap sorted this - but Dorian did it all for me last week whilst I was working away in Wales and the West Midlands!

He went right through the car giving it a first class valet along the way, he then worked his way through my list of odd jobs on it and it now looks and drives stunningly well :). 3rd brakelight in the bootlid has now been wired (Second hand later style bootlid after the accident), wheels painted, new trim parts fitted, I still have a load more little jobs to do but my enthusiasm to get it perfect again has been completely rejuvenated .


As the car is a CatC 1992 3.0 R129, It has no real commercial or resale value so I feel a pair of turbos might now be the way forward with this one as well :D

Thanks to everyone for their help - esp Dorian



Mark
 
Passed VIC today with no grief at all - Again many thanks to Dorian for taking it down there for me!

I know its only an old SL - but its MY SL and I love it :)


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Compared to this and this it has come a long way :)



I can see this car being in my life for another 9 years now :D


Mark
 

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