The £5 Detail (yes honestly!)

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Well first of all the results of my £5 detail :)
(The things I do for the sake of research for this forum!)

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Some of you will have read the Pledge thread in which I proved that the silicone in Pledge is exactly the same as in most car cleaning products including Megs and even some Gtechniq products. So here is my £5 of products: £3 Pledge, £1 Poundland Wheel Cleaner, and £1 Poundland Tyre shine :)

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The bottom line is that you can get a reasonably good finish with 2 of these products. The tyreshine is OK, Pledge is OK in SMALL quantities but takes a fair bit of hand polishing to get a good streak free finish. The Wheel Cleaner is DREADFUL do not use on your car!!! I really would use Fairy Liquid before that wheel cleaner. It doesn't clean, it smells of acid and I rinsed my wheels VERY well after using it.

Can you get good results on a budget-Yes. Would I personally do it again - No, not because it doesn't work, it plainly does, but my usual AG products do the job more easily and quickly and will be more durable.


For those of you who missed the Pledge thread and don't know that Pledge and car cleaning products are very similar here are the salient points.

http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/detailing/170136-pledge-review.html

LOL Well get this!!! The Silicon in Pledge is Polydimethylsiloxanes

This is the products using the same chemical!!!

Household Products Database - Health and Safety Information on Household Products


In particular...


Brand Category Form Percent

Armor All Car Wax, Paste-Discontinued Product Auto Products paste <10
Armor All Ultra Shine Protectant-Old Product Auto Products liquid 25-35
Rain X The Invisible Windshield Wiper Auto Products liquid <9
Black Magic Professional Protectant-10/31/2002-Old Product Auto Products liquid 10.0-50.0
Snap Silicone Spray-discontinued Auto Products aerosol 1.0-5.0
AutoFom Fomblin A Auto Products liquid
STP Son of A Gun! 1 Step Tire Protectant-03/12/1998-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 20-25
STP Son of a Gun Vinyl Protectant-Discontinued Product Auto Products liquid 15-30
Trak Protectant Auto Products liquid 10.0-30.0

Meguiars Vinyl/Rubber Cleaner/Conditioner-10/01/2003-Old Product Auto Products liquid 15-25
Sprayway Auto Care Wax and Shine No. 703 Auto Products aerosol <7.0
CRC Marine Silicone Lubricant Auto Products aerosol <5
Armor All Tire Foam, Aerosol-10/01/2007-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 10.0-15.0
Silicone Adhesive Sealant Clear Auto Products aerosol 85-90
Dielectric Grease Auto Products grease 75-85
Meguiars Yellow Wax Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Meguiars Deep Crystal Deep Gloss Polish-Old Product Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Meguiars NXT Generation Insane Shine Tire Spray, G13124 Auto Products pump spray 60-80
Liquid Glass Ultra Auto Polish/Cleaner/Finish Auto Products liquid 12
Permatex No Touch High Shine Tire Care Auto Products aerosol 15-40
Permatex No Touch Wet N Protect Wet Tire Finish Auto Products aerosol 15-40
Permatex Ultra Copper Maximum Temperature RTV Silicone Gasket Maker Auto Products paste 20-40
Meguiars Gold Class Leather Conditioner, G18616 Auto Products pump spray 10.0-30.0
Meguiars Ultimate Wax Liquid, G18216 Auto Products liquid 3.0-7.0
Eagle One EnviroShine Tire Shine Gel Auto Products pump spray 20.0-40.0
Eagle One Wet Tire Shine Auto Products pump spray 10.0-15.0
Armor All Tire Foam Protectant-06/01/2011 Auto Products aerosol 10.0-15.0
Armor All Flash Black Tire Care-Discontinued Product Auto Products liquid 10.0-30.0
Armor All Original Protectant-Old Product Auto Products liquid 15-25
Armor All Tire Foam Protectant-9/07/2000-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 10.0-20.0
Armor All Low Gloss Protectant-Old Product Auto Products liquid 10.0-20.0
Simoniz Advanced Total Car Finish/Polish Auto Products liquid
Gunk Silicone Spray Lubricant-11/01/2001-discontinued Auto Products aerosol
Rain X Ultra Wax Liquid-09/06/2002 Auto Products liquid <5
The Right Stuff Gasket Maker-03/01/2001 Auto Products aerosol 5.0-20.0
Black Magic Professional Protectant-discontinued Auto Products liquid
STP Son of a Gun! Tire Glaze-Discontinued Product Auto Products liquid 10.0-30.0
Trak Auto Tire Dressing-discontinued Auto Products liquid 10.0-30.0
Westleys Black Magic Tire Wet-Old Product Auto Products liquid
Westleys Concentrated Liquid Auto Polish-Discontinued Auto Products liquid
STP Son of A Gun! 1 Step Tire Protectant-07/23/1999-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 20-25
Meguiars Cleaner Wax-05/19/2003 Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Armor All Car Wax 2 Qts.-Discontinued Product Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
MaryKate Clear Vinyl Cleaner and Polish Auto Products aerosol 3.0-6.0
STP One Step Tire Care, Aerosol-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 10.0-15.0
Simoniz Super Blue Liquid Car Wax Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
The Right Stuff Gasket Maker-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 5.0-20.0
Meguiars Deep Crystal Carnauba Wax Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Meguiars Vinyl/Rubber Cleaner/Conditioner-Old Product Auto Products liquid 15-25
Meguiars Deep Crystal Gloss Polish, A21-06/12/2006 Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Meguiars Next Generation Hot Shine Tire Coating Aerosol, G138 Auto Products aerosol 10.0-25.0
Liquid Glass PreCleaner Auto Products liquid 5
Permatex No Touch Original Tire Care Auto Products aerosol <5
Meguiars Endurance Tire Spray, G15524 Auto Products pump spray 10.0-30.0
Meguiars Ultimate Black, G15812 Auto Products gel 10.0-30.0
Meguiars Ultimate Protectant Spray, G14716 Auto Products pump spray 10.0-30.0
Pledge, Orange Fresh, Aerosol-discontinued Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge Furniture Wipes, Lemon-Old Product Inside the Home towelette 3.0-7.0
Lemon Pledge, Pump Spray Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0
Pledge, Orange Fresh, Aerosol-08/22/2008 Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge Wipes With Orange Oil-08/22/2008 Inside the Home wipes 3.0-7.0
Pledge Furniture Polish-Lemon Scent-Old Product Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0
Lemon Pledge, Aerosol-Old Product Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge with Orange Oil-Old Product Inside the Home liquid 1.0-3.0
Pledge Clean and Dust-04/06/2006-Old Product Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge Furniture Polish-Lemon Scent-11/01/2005 Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0
Lemon Pledge, Aerosol-08/22/2008 Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge Orange Oil Furniture Polish-03/23/2009 Inside the Home liquid 1.0-5.0
Pledge with Orange Oil-03/23/2009 Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0
Pledge Smear Free Furniture Care Spray-Lemon Scent-discontinued Inside the Home aerosol 3.0-7.0
Pledge Clean and Shine Furniture Polish, Orange Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Meguiars Ultimate Wax Liquid, G18216 Auto Products liquid 3.0-7.0 %

Lemon Pledge, Pump Spray Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0%

Well I hope anyone who uses Megs doesn't need their car repainted!

Wax specifically for single stage paint? [Archive] - Detail Paradise - Australian Detailing Forum & Community

This reply from DoDo and I think sets the record straight. Silicon is in nearly all waxes and sealants.

DodoFactory

26-09-2008, 09:13 AM

There are a few points that need to be made here.

The first is that most high end products on the detailing market will contain some form of silicone, variant or derivative. Natural waxes that perform at the highest of levels simply don't exist. Note that sealants are basically made almost entirely of silicone polymers, and that many high end waxes are essentially wax/sealant hybrids. If a manufacturer chooses not to disclose an ingredient, that may be for intellectual property or marketing reasons, but it does not mean the product doesn't contain it.

We have spectrum analysed a number of waxes from rival manufacturers and they unmistakably contain silicone - the trace is obvious. Some of the consumer descriptions are fanciful at best. For legal reasons I am not going to disclose the names of these waxes or even confirm or deny the presence of silicone in our products lest a conclusion be drawn from a previous statement made on this forum (it is also worth noting that the exact Dodo Juice formulas are a secret even from me, for intellectual property reasons - our chemists guard these carefully and I only have a rough indication of formulation). What I will say, however, is that silicones will be found in most high end products on the market and you can make of that statement what you will. Not every product made will have them, but waxes, quick detailers etc are a likely group.

I would ask anyone interested in silicone content to get a product independently analysed, or get the manufacturer - not manufacturer's agent (Joel, I hope you realise the distinction I am getting at here as it is relevant) - to make a formal and attributable public statement so that the claim can be proved or disproved. You will not get sense from distributors as manufacturers will not generally disclose specific formulation information to them. And don't believe the labels. I saw a sealant labelled as a wax at the weekend during some testing, presumably as most consumers wouldn't know what a sealant was. An innocent change, but that product will contain silicone polymers galore and not a lot of 'natural' wax at all!

OK, point 2. Silicones may be man made but they are not the devil's product people make them out to be - just as carnauba is not as special (or rare, or expensive) as wax manufacturers would have you believe. And remember plastic and nylon are evil as well... lots of stuff is man made. That's progress, folks. Silicones have simply had a bad press. The problem is largely a result of aerosol based silicones that plagued bodyshops in the 80s... they were difficult to clean from paint and floated in the air to cause 'fish-eyeing' during painting. Silicones therefore became 'bad' as a breed, when the reality is that *some* silicones *used to be* bad. Modern silicones can be water based, 'bodyshop' safe and have no more of an environmental or health risk than many other man made products (and even many natural ones... like pure turpentine oil!). Remember that Silicon in its raw and natural form makes up 27 per cent of the earth's crust.

So assuming you still hate silicones and will never touch a sealant again, or use the furniture polish in your home, let's move on to point 3. What counts as natural? Dodo Juice waxes are substantially 'natural' because they use natural waxes at the core of the recipe, but we could not claim for them to be organic or 100% natural. Why? Simply because the wax used in manufacture is refined and processed, and we use modern (low VOC) solvents. They are similar in formulation to their rivals.

Now let's assume that everything natural is good. Let's assume that pure orange oil isn't an explosive and aggressive solvent, but basically super concentrated orange juice. Let's assume that turpentine oil isn't a poison. Let's assume that we can get hold of raw, unrefined wax, untouched by modern refining processes. What would the result be? Well, I made a wax that would probably be classed as 95% natural using pure natural (but arguably refined) ingredients, as you simply can't get hold of unrefined products without digging them out of the ground yourself. The result was mediocre at best. Nature is good, but not that good. And if you used unrefined products, your wax would be full of contaminants that refining removes (and these dirt particles would probably swirl your clearcoat). So if you believe 100% natural waxes exist, you are incorrect. And if you believe even a 95% natural wax would perform better than a natural/man made wax hybrid (as all waxes are to a greater or lesser extent) then you'd also be wrong. If you don't believe me, make one. I speak from experience. To think that something natural outperforms a modern variation is like expecting cotton or silk to be as high-performing as Goretex on an arctic expedition. Or for butter to be as healthy as a low cholesterol margarine.

Natural is a marketing point, not a performance point. End of.

The saddest part of this discussion is that misinformation is still rife in the industry, and those seeking to enlighten consumers have the most to lose from a marketing point of view. At Dodo Juice, we will not misinform or misguide and will only market the truth (even if words are chosen carefully). If I have not declared an obvious hand re silicones here it is simply for legal reasons due to a previous forum post. However, the stigma attached to silicone is outdated and ignorant and needs countering, so I am happy to do that here.
Hopefully that is of some use. It is rare I join a forum just to comment on a particular thread, so please bear with me if the replies are a timezone out. I am a member of too many forums for my own good and it is difficult keeping tabs on all of them.

If anyone has any questions they can email me at dom -at- dodojuice -dot- com rather than take this off topic. And please also note that I don't contribute to forums to sell our products or spam. I just try and educate and inform from the gamekeepers side of the fence, and as a (very) amateur chemist.

Regards
DF

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Originally Posted by Sp!ke View Post
so based on the above, rainex is probably the same stuff as some of these expensive protectorants.

The main ingredient of Gtechniq is 64742-47-8 which happens to also be the main ingredient of ....

http://wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd453764182.pdf

Resource centre // G|Techniq

and also

http://www.meguiars.co.uk/attach/dow...english_gb.pdf

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawe...9lxtD7SSSSSS--

Don't shoot the messenger!

63148-62-9 otherwise known as "pledge silicon" is also in Gtechniq M1. In actual fact 20-40% by weight.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...64542518,d.bGE

I won't post all the links but Turtlewax and 3M use it as well.

Chemical Information
Chemical Name: Polydimethylsiloxanes (Silicon oil)
CAS Registry Number: 063148-62-9
Synonyms: Polysiloxane; Dimethylpolysiloxane (2); Silicone oil; Siloxanes and Silicones, dimethyl-; Polydimethylsiloxanes; Siloxanes and Silicones, di-Me; Dimethicone

As found in most car cleaning products and Pledge!
 
Great results, and it just goes to show how much we can be ripped off unknowingly....I cringe to think the amount I have spent over the years on products.
However, I thought I would let a professional see what they could do and had the full GTech detail done over the last couple of days, and it's very impressive but cost a lot more than 5 quid!!!!!!
Was it worth it.......it looked stunning in the studio and then drove home in the rain ha ha so now it's in the garage just looking scruffy!!!!!
 
Just to clarify this thread is for/about amateur detailers. I do understand that paint correction and expertise have there place and there value. Remember my car does 17,000 miles per year and it just isn't worth doing a pro job when the next week I'll undo all their best efforts.
 
Excellent thread.
 
H2O is the main ingredient in wine & beer. So by the same logic they are all just as good as each other too! ;) ;) ;) ;)
 
I find your write up a bit short - you could have put a bit of effort into it :D.
 
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Great results, and it just goes to show how much we can be ripped off unknowingly....I cringe to think the amount I have spent over the years on products.
However, I thought I would let a professional see what they could do and had the full GTech detail done over the last couple of days, and it's very impressive but cost a lot more than 5 quid!!!!!!
Was it worth it.......it looked stunning in the studio and then drove home in the rain ha ha so now it's in the garage just looking scruffy!!!!!


It will return to stunning after a quick wash with Gwash. The lions share of the Gtechiq process is to correct the paint, without which no amount of product (of any brand) will make the car look it's best.

Any details on who did it Lee?
 
It will return to stunning after a quick wash with Gwash. The lions share of the Gtechiq process is to correct the paint, without which no amount of product (of any brand) will make the car look it's best.

Any details on who did it Lee?

I had it done by total detail international which are based in South Shields (North East)
The lad spent a lot of time de-contaminating and then removing a few swirls
 

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H2O is the main ingredient in wine & beer. So by the same logic they are all just as good as each other too! ;) ;) ;) ;)

If you drink enough, the results the same........so yes :D
 
I had it done by total detail international which are based in South Shields (North East)
The lad spent a lot of time de-contaminating and then removing a few swirls

That's some shine Lee :thumb:
 
and i got hammered for using tescos own brand furniture polish..!! good write up here well done for taking the time and effort :)
 
Excellent Greg. Many thanks.
 
I love threads like these as much as I like the 'proper' detailing threads :)
 
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Polydimethylsiloxanes (PDMS) belong to a group of polymeric organosilicon compounds that are commonly referred to as silicones. This means they are not all the same. Although they have similar chemical characteristics they vary widely in their physical properties. They can have long or short , branched or crosslinked chains depending on how they are made or their starting materials. There will be rotgut crude mixtures and clean single component stuff, So although its accurate to say most of these detailing products contain Polydimethylsiloxane it may not be all the same quality of stuff.:dk:
 
Just had a quick look at this thread & I'm glad the guy above has saved me the disitation and put it in a nutshell. But to simplify these statements I will prove to you guys when I have 5 minutes that putting household polish on a lacquered panel will cover it in holograms. I will apply this to a freshly corrected, heavily ipa'ed panel and put it under a sun gun moving a crossed it. All I can say now is promise you it will be extremely smeary.

Cheers
Michael
 
All I can say now is promise you it will be extremely smeary.

Cheers
Michael

Here's one I did earlier :) If you use very little product and don't apply it directly to the paint it'll be OK. I wouldn't drive around with it looking a mess :)

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Here's one I did earlier :) If you use very little product and don't apply it directly to the paint it'll be OK. I wouldn't drive around with it looking a mess :)

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Lovely shine, but you really need to straighten up those cables fixed to your wall. :eek:
 
Lovely shine, but you really need to straighten up those cables fixed to your wall. :eek:

LOL that next doors wall...and yes he does need to tidy them up!
 

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