The E63 I now own.

[Rich764089]

Just to say that I had a very positive experience buying a car from Dammit (both the car itself and the transaction), so wholeheartedly recommended if anyone here is looking for an E63

I was looking to buy this at the time but Dammit beat me to it. Looked a good example and has dynamic seats I seem to remember?

Enjoy the car

 

[samoht]

Sorry I seem to have caused confusion... I bought Dammit's previous AMG estate from him (the C55). Hence recommending this car if anyone's looking for an E63

 

[Rich764089]

Sorry I seem to have caused confusion... I bought Dammit's previous AMG estate from him (the C55). Hence recommending this car if anyone's looking for an E63

Ah sorry, my misunderstanding.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Interested to see the results, love a stat! Meant to do 4.1 I think, so 5.5 is rubbish
I've never launched mine or used race start but reckon scraping sub 4 would jusy be doable in optimum conditions...?
What do you use to time?

Thanks me too ! Haah yeah best time without launch control on the 212 is 5.4sec using the drag racer app below, haven't tried it on the new wheels but they've been spinning a lot but seems like they grip better than the old ones:



Best time in the w211 using no launch control and on a damp road in spring is 4.3 secs

 

[Rich764089]

Surprising the 55 was so much faster. Look forward to results!

 

[TrueSpirit]

Surprising the 55 was so much faster. Look forward to results!

Sadly it is the 6.2l car which is currently miles faster , I dragged it multiple times and every time it was between 4.3 and 4.5 secs.

So far the 5.5l 580+hp car has done between 5.4 and around 6.8 secs . I'll have a go ASAP. Its tough getting the GPS to connect on the app and then more importantly having an empty "drag strip" which is usually the main issue.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Sadly it is the 6.2l car which is currently miles faster , I dragged it multiple times and every time it was between 4.3 and 4.5 secs.

So far the 5.5l 580+hp car has done between 5.4 and around 6.8 secs . I'll have a go ASAP. Its tough getting the GPS to connect on the app and then more importantly having an empty "drag strip" which is usually the main issue.

I’m not surprised the 6.2 is quicker off the line, the power and torque builds over quite a broad range - and torque is further limited in the lowest gears to protect the gearbox - and so it’s easier to consistently accelerate cleanly from a standing start.

The benefit of low-down additional torque from a forced induction engine only really comes into play when progress is no longer limited by traction, by which time your timed sprint from zero to 60 mph is all but done and dusted.

I recall AMG even mentioned this as a benefit over the previous supercharged 5.5 litre engine (M113K). In the real world where roads are usually cold and damp, it makes the 6.2 litre engine surprisingly quick from a dead start.

 

[Rich764089]

Thought this was interesting.

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Probably need a new thread!

 

[TrueSpirit]

Yeah i completely hijacked this thread That's some great drags in that video, looks like they are neck and neck and just goes to show how special the e55 is. Interesting though the e63 211 is 510ish HP , so its up on power vs the CLK. I had mps4 on mine too so thats possibly an advantage but we have shit weather to counter the good rubber. Unfortunately I don't really have enough tarmac to do a quarter mile run and even if I did, I'd be smashing through the national speed limit

As @Bobby Dazzler says and I completely agree, the 6.2 puts on the pace in so well. I think it is magnificent in the E, It really is a superb NA engine and that's why it has the fan base that it does. It has the torque of a turbo (but higher in the rev range ofcourse), I think mine was rated 630ish nm, and the linearity and lungs to keep pulling and do its best work towards the red line. I just got sick of the constant check engine warnings . The best was when I was driving to Part Ex it and the warning came up but luckily that's a dodgy sensor. Best of all, it'd slaughter my w212 in a red light grand prix though my w212 does some incredible sideways skids which I'm sure make up for the lack of pace

 

[Rich764089]

Interesting though the e63 211 is 510ish HP , so its up on power vs the CLK

Yeah, I was thinking this too. Obviously the video wasn't like for like comparisons but still good to see!

 

[TrueSpirit]

First run attempt, spurs of the moment without much prep. 6 degrees outside and my runway had a slight left and right bend . Sport engine, regular handling mode and 4.6 secs , didn't even bother with launch control or trying to floor it, just put my foot down as much as I do for normal driving. Gosh the pirelli tyres really were awful

 

[Rich764089]

First run attempt, spurs of the moment without much prep. 6 degrees outside and my runway had a slight left and right bend . Sport engine, regular handling mode and 4.6 secs , didn't even bother with launch control or trying to floor it, just put my foot down as much as I do for normal driving. Gosh the pirelli tyres really were awful

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That's much better

I've never really launched mine let alone used race start'

 

[st13phil]

First run attempt

That's more like it!

Gosh the pirelli tyres really were awful

It's hard for people who have never experienced part-worn P-Zero's on the rear of a Biturbo E63 to understand quite how bad they are. I've had ketchup stick to a fried egg better

 

[John]

I’m not surprised the 6.2 is quicker off the line, the power and torque builds over quite a broad range - and torque is further limited in the lowest gears to protect the gearbox - and so it’s easier to consistently accelerate cleanly from a standing start.

The benefit of low-down additional torque from a forced induction engine only really comes into play when progress is no longer limited by traction, by which time your timed sprint from zero to 60 mph is all but done and dusted.

I recall AMG even mentioned this as a benefit over the previous supercharged 5.5 litre engine (M113K). In the real world where roads are usually cold and damp, it makes the 6.2 litre engine surprisingly quick from a dead start.

I easily managed a Racelogic 4.1s on my old E55 when it was standard (510BHP) and I reckon a 3.9 was possible but for the crap surface at TV.

So it is possible to get a forced-induction V8 off the line and up to 60 quickly if you know what you are doing.

I'd had a lot of practice at many traffic light grand prix though.

 

[TrueSpirit]

That's much better

I've never really launched mine let alone used race start'

Its good fun being pushed back in the seat and test resolve to not be tempted to kick down !

I easily managed a Racelogic 4.1s on my old E55 when it was standard (510BHP) and I reckon a 3.9 was possible but for the crap surface at TV.

So it is possible to get a forced-induction V8 off the line and up to 60 quickly if you know what you are doing.

I'd had a lot of practice at many traffic light grand prix though.

Agreed, its all about practice. As st13phil has probably experienced, worn pirellis are quite something else and i'll sheepishly admit they had gone past the worn indicator on the inside and were on 24k miles incidentally this Goodyear tyre is the only tyre I've had on a car where the rear tyres skip while going slow on a corner and cold

I love a good traffic light GP and have been doing them forever. I've done plenty of v low 4 secs in my c63s , I think a couple of dead flat 4.0 sec ones too but around 4.3ish was far more common. That car was hard to drag probably like the e55 as they have similar torque. Thought the E55 was around 470hp (or was it completely underrated ?)

I'm putting out there by saying I'll do 4.3 or lower at the next run if the road is dry and tyres are warm because I'll put it in sport plus and sport handling mode which should get me more power.

Below is my record so far from my various saved drags but I let go of the gas way too early or would have got a low 3 sec time and won't get another chance in that car :

 

[John]

Thought the E55 was around 470hp (or was it completely underrated ?)

Marketing! Renntech once stated that most 55Ks are around 500BHP in reality.

MB had to be careful it didn't sit above the SL55 which cost £20k more and of course the successor had to be faster.

When you get to these levels though and then points of a second, the slightest thing can make a big difference.

There are a set of traffic lights near me where I used to take part in the most TLGPs, which has that fine grit road surface that smells like hot brakes in the hot weather, and it used to dig in and go like a rocket there.

I wish I'd had the Racelogic timing gear then as I was definitely getting a better time than the 4.1 I got at TV.

I'll never know and even if I still had the car, I modified it after 3 years of ownership and I actually couldn't get it off the line so easily with another 20% more power, perhaps understandably.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Marketing! Renntech once stated that most 55Ks are around 500BHP in reality.

MB had to be careful it didn't sit above the SL55 which cost £20k more and of course the successor had to be faster.

When you get to these levels though and then points of a second, the slightest thing can make a big difference.

There are a set of traffic lights near me where I used to take part in the most TLGPs, which has that fine grit road surface that smells like hot brakes in the hot weather, and it used to dig in and go like a rocket there.

I wish I'd had the Racelogic timing gear then as I was definitely getting a better time than the 4.1 I got at TV.

I'll never know and even if I still had the car, I modified it after 3 years of ownership and I actually couldn't get it off the line so easily with another 20% more power, perhaps understandably.

Yeah apparently that could be the case with the e55 and it seems like motor trend in the US dynoed the w212 e63 s version and at least on that car, it was very under rated

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[Bobby Dazzler]

Yeah apparently that could be the case with the e55 and it seems like motor trend in the US dynoed the w212 e63 s version and at least on that car, it was very under rated

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It’s not unusual for a car to produce more power in reality than is published by the manufacturer and Mercedes/AMG are particularly generous in this respect.

They need to make sure that their cars are capable of producing their published power output regardless of fuel quality, octane rating, altitude, ambient temperature, etc.

That means that in the UK where those things are all favourable, engines tend to produce more power than is published, in some cases significantly more.

Of course when tested on a dyno the operator applies a correction factor which adjusts the output to standardise conditions and allow comparison.

 

[350cls]

Not that I have done race starts or any of that sort of thing.

I have said this before on different threads. My w212 is first gen model with the 6.2. it feels as quick if not quicker than my previous E55k. The handling is on a different level to that of the barge type w211.

The N/A engine is no slouch, and with its standard torque and hp is a very capable car. For a 2 tonne car in the w212 body it can move even though it's coming on 11/12 years old. My experiences are the diff of the 6.2 w212 is more InTouch with carracter of the 6.2 engine, to that of the 55k and the w211 car. Other factors such as higher rpms on the 6.2 engine play a big part.

I have never had the privilege of driving or owning the 6.2 w211 or s211. I actually would have liked to have tested a few before I purchased my current 6.2 w212.

Reading old threads and articles on the 6.2 vs M113k debate. I was under the impression you would be short changed with purchasing the N/A unit. Well, far from it, there are reasons for owning both. The tuneable side is endless with the M113k. But you still need to get that power down. And in my experiences the W212 chassis does it better, and feels more controlled in doing so.

Yes, to tune the M156 it will cost loads to really up it's anti, but as an off the shelf unit, it's fun, capable, very assured, sounds brutal, and is that jekel and Hyde carracter that can be had to suit different occasions.

Would I do it differently, nope, would I like to have experienced the w211 6.2 after the E55k, yes, I would. Am I happy now with what I currently have, oh YES

 

[Dammit]

I took the E63 in for it's service and MOT today, came home in this:

Which was not the plan.