The EV fact thread

[markjay]

1. Correct, I typed played all of the right notes, but in the wrong order!

I'll call you Eric from now on then

Why not call him Bozzy Dabbler......?

 

[PXW]

@KillerHERTZ The map of Prague above is an area of around 135 square kilometers so not that many chargers for a European capital. Probably why you did not notice any.

The map of Prague that I posted was actually less than 50 sq km - just over 8km north to south and less than 6km east to west.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I had to go to Screwfix yesterday while Mrs BTB was out in the C300 ... I didn't take the Vito


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Popping to Screwfix, picking up milk, checking g it’s not raining at the beach, are all good reasons to get that bad boy out of the garage. Enjoy, we have the perfect weather right now.

 

[markjay]

I had to go to Screwfix yesterday while Mrs BTB was out in the C300 ... I didn't take the Vito

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Rookie mistake! And what would you have done if they had a Milwaukee or Teng or Snap-on tool chest on special offer, 'today only'...?


(Answer - drive the SL back home and go get the Vito )

 

[GrahamT]

 

[markjay]

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China is on the right track, though:

China’s Climate Goals Hinge on a $440 Billion Nuclear Buildout

China is planning at least 150 new reactors in the next 15 years, more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35.

www.bloomberg.com

"China’s Climate Goals Hinge on a $440 Billion Nuclear Buildout

China is planning at least 150 new reactors in the next 15 years, more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35."

Sadly, they appear to be the only nation on the planet so far that got the response to the threat of Climate Change right.

However, unless the US and Western Europe accelerate their nuclear power production, China alone can't save the planet.

 

[molgrips]

Curious about how an electric motor is "much better" for getting from A to B? Easier to drive? Quieter? Smoother?

In terms of driving, they are so smooth and responsive, it's a real joy - even a cheap one. They are of course quieter and they are very smooth due to not having gears but also because it's a lot easier to modulate the power and hence drive more smoothly. The handling is also usually very good because the weight is central and low down.

They are also vastly cheaper to run. My wife commutes in our EV which we can charge at home. If she took our other diesel car it would cost us ten times as much per mile. Would you like diesel to be 15p a litre? For us, it is (most of the time). In environmental terms it uses much less energy, and that energy is mostly generated renewably, so the carbon footprint of our general motoring is what, a tenth that of the diesel? It's also very convenient; since I can charge at home we very rarely have to stop for fuel; on the few times we rapid charge on the road it coincides with a rest/food stop. In fact, when I put 60l of diesel in the other car, I found it a little horrifying that this huge amount of liquid is going to be turned into pollution and sprayed all around the city,

To put it in perspective - our EV is a Hyundai Ioniq Electric from 2020 which is considered a bargain bin EV these days (and it was cheap to buy). It is the Premium SE model but it's still not a fancy car. My diesel is a CLS 250 CDI. I love the CLS - I lavish time and money on it, I'm about to replace the rear suspension bushes on it - but we are about to take a long trip to Germany and even though the EV is smaller, less refined and these particular cars charge terribly slowly, I am still probably going to take it over the CLS. Because EVs are just so much fun. It's not even going to save a lot of money since we'd be using public charging.

 

[BTB 500]

My wife commutes in our EV which we can charge at home.

In environmental terms it uses much less energy, and that energy is mostly generated renewably, so the carbon footprint of our general motoring is what, a tenth that of the diesel?

You know you are wasting 15-20% of the energy used from the mains when charging the battery at home?

Still cheap of course (and possibly green), but maybe not quite so much as you think.

 

[ChipChop]

China is on the right track, though:

China’s Climate Goals Hinge on a $440 Billion Nuclear Buildout

China is planning at least 150 new reactors in the next 15 years, more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35.

www.bloomberg.com

"China’s Climate Goals Hinge on a $440 Billion Nuclear Buildout

China is planning at least 150 new reactors in the next 15 years, more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35."

Sadly, they appear to be the only nation on the planet so far that got the response to the threat of Climate Change right.

However, unless the US and Western Europe accelerate their nuclear power production, China alone can't save the planet.

Bloomberg LP and Bloomberg "philanthropies" are consistently Chinas biggest cheerleader. All about the finance.

“China has set an ambitious goal of peaking national carbon emissions around 2030, wisely recognizing that economic growth and fighting climate change go hand in hand,” said frequent flyer and fan of the private jet Michael R. Bloomberg, U.N. Secretary-General’s Special Envoy for Cities and Climate Change, Founder of Bloomberg L.P. and Bloomberg Philanthropies. “That leadership helped make the Paris climate agreement possible – and now, China is looking for creative ways to finance the low-carbon infrastructure needed to reach its climate goals.”

Mike Bloomberg's 2022 Wrapped - ClimateJets

Explore the climate implications of Mike Bloomberg's private aircraft, which emitted 3,196.58 metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2022.

climatejets.org

Funny how the worlds biggest polluters are also deeply concerned about the environment nowadays.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Electric car driver turned away from hospital car park

We all knew this day was coming...

 

[markjay]

Funny how the worlds biggest polluters are also deeply concerned about the environment...

Shouldn't they be?

 

[markjay]

Electric car driver turned away from hospital car park

We all knew this day was coming...

This is not surprising. Soon, they'll be banned from all public places. They are easily recognisable - you know the type, Tweed jacket with elbow patches, flat cap, thick spectacles... undesirable lot. Ban them all, I say, and not a minute too soon

 

[SmartAmg]

We all knew this day was coming...

Why?

This is not surprising. Soon, they'll be banned from all public places. They are easily recognisable - you know the type, Tweed jacket with elbow patches, flat cap, thick spectacles... undesirable lot. Ban them all, I say, and not a minute too soon

Why not go a stage further, Shoot the B@stards and have done with.

 

[markjay]

Why not go a stage further, Shoot the B@stards and have done with.

I would advise against it, unless they are standing clear of the EV. You don't want shotgun pellets hitting the battery

 

[ChipChop]

Shouldn't they be?

Bit of leading by example would not go amiss. Taking over 700 flights a year on private jets a la Bloomberg is a world away from being concerned about matters environmental. Maybe only the man in the street will be required to make sacrifices in the name of net zero though. No wonder the one party Chinese state is the model. No thanks.

 

[markjay]

Bit of leading by example would not go amiss. Taking over 700 flights a year on private jets a la Bloomberg is a world away from being concerned about matters environmental. Maybe only the man in the street will be required to make sacrifices in the name of net zero though. No wonder the one party Chinese state is the model. No thanks.

Did you expect them to walk instead? The Bering land bridge disappeared over 10,000 years ago (according to the current theory).

 

[markjay]

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[Dryce]

They are also vastly cheaper to run. My wife commutes in our EV which we can charge at home. If she took our other diesel car it would cost us ten times as much per mile. Would you like diesel to be 15p a litre? For us, it is (most of the time). In environmental terms it uses much less energy, and that energy is mostly generated renewably, so the carbon footprint of our general motoring is what, a tenth that of the diesel?

The 'vastly cheaper to run' depends on a number of factors.

One of the common misunderstandings owners of cars have is the idea that low mpg or low fuel costs mean 'cheap to run'. Typically depreciation and other costs substantially outweigh the fuel costs over the lifetime of the vehicle for many car owners - particularly those who purchase higher value new vehicles.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The 'vastly cheaper to run' depends on a number of factors.

One of the common misunderstandings owners of cars have is the idea that low mpg or low fuel costs mean 'cheap to run'. Typically depreciation and other costs substantially outweigh the fuel costs over the lifetime of the vehicle for many car owners - particularly those who purchase higher value new vehicles.

Well said. Here’s an example. My wife has owned her delightful Mk2.5 Mx5 for five years, doing just over 2,000 miles a year at a fuel cost of £500 a year. Depreciation? Essentially nothing. Cost of capital: £300 pa (10% of £3k) Maintenance and repairs about £200 pa.

An extreme low mileage / high pleasure per mile case, perhaps, but typical of people owning older convertibles and weekend vehicles. Will it get easier to replace as EV’s get older? No: because EVs are currently only replacing dull saloons.

And the same economics apply to most people running plain old 6+ year old vehicles. They’re less than a quarter of their cost new, so the fuel saving is actually significant, but not sufficient to pay for new or near rather than used.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Maybe only the man in the street will be required to make sacrifices in the name of net zero though.

Which sacrifices are those?