The EV fact thread

[ALFAitalia]

LOL....The difference is that the smoke stacks in that pic are kicking out tons of particulates....which is why its very dark in colour....if it was just the ingredients you said or your breath it would mostly be white or clear. If its the environment its all the carbon its releasing you need to worry about....if its air quality then its the particulates.

 

[ChipChop]

And which of those sacrifices have you already had to make?

PS If 100% carbon free electricity is only 15% more expensive in 25 years time, than it is today, then I’d say that’s a great result.

Irrelevant question. In asking it though you appear to now accept the net zero transition requires sacrifices.

Yes 15% is not a huge increase, unlike the 140% increase in the projected cost of low/ zero CO2 concrete substitute for the building industry.

 

[markjay]

Never watched Al Gores hollywood film i am afraid. I did see the Hollywood global warmig nee climate change epic The Day After Tommorow (2004) though. Apparently that eco disaster film was the inspiration for the pitch for An Inconvenient Truth 2 years later (2006).

Any way back to your dramatic (everything climate change related has to be dramatic!) photo of a fossil fuel powerplant. What are we looking at coming out of those chimney stacks?

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Our human breath is not that much different to the output of a powerplant. Powerplants take in air and burn oxygen out of the air when they burn coal, natural gas or oil. And the result coming out of the chimney stack is mostly the nitrogen that was already there (70% N2), a little bit of oxygen that was'nt used up (5% O2), water vapour (5% H2O) and CO2 (20%). A humans breath, apart from having more oxygen content (15%) and less CO2 (5%) is very similar. Water vapour is 6% and nitrogen content is 75%.

So next time maybe put up a picture of a human breathing instead of a smoke stack. But that would be far less dramatic and not create the desired level of alarmism.

How air pollution can cause lung cancer in non-smokers

A long-term study funded by Cancer Research UK has revealed how air pollution can cause lung cancer in people who have never smoked.

news.cancerresearchuk.org

"Outdoor air pollution has been linked to variety of health problems, including asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), heart disease and dementia, and causes roughly 1 in 10 cases of lung cancer in the UK."

Small price to pay to keep the economy rolling... according to some.

 

[ChipChop]

LOL....The difference is that the smoke stacks in that pic are kicking out tons of particulates....which is why its very dark in colour....if it was just the ingredients you said or you breath it would mostly be white or clear. If its the environment its all the carbon its releasing you need to worry about....if its air quality then its the particulates.

Fine you want to switch the focus to particulates. Do you think there is a reason a chimney stack is high? Could it be they are designed that way to disperse gases and particulates?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Yes....to the atmosphere!!! If you are seriously suggesting that it being a couple of hundred feet in the air makes any difference to the overall output or pollution levels I think you need to take more water with it!!!......but then I've seen your previous posts so who knows......Your anti EV and climate change beliefs obviously outweigh actual facts!!!

 

[ChipChop]

How air pollution can cause lung cancer in non-smokers

A long-term study funded by Cancer Research UK has revealed how air pollution can cause lung cancer in people who have never smoked.

news.cancerresearchuk.org

"Outdoor air pollution has been linked to variety of health problems, including asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), heart disease and dementia, and causes roughly 1 in 10 cases of lung cancer in the UK."

Small price to pay to keep the economy rolling... according to some.

So Al Gores film was about what may or may not be causing cancer in non smokers? I hope he donated a good percentage of the profit from his film to a relevant cancer charity then.

 

[ChipChop]

Yes....to the atmosphere!!! If you are seriously suggesting that it being a couple of hundred feet in the air makes any difference to the overall output or pollution levels I think you need to take more water with it!!!......but then I've seen your previous posts so who knows......Your anti EV and climate change beliefs obviously outweigh actual facts!!!

As you have chosen to focus solely on the visible (dark) particulates what is the particulate matter content of the smoke coming out of the pictured stacks? Any idea?

 

[markjay]

So Al Gores film was about what may or may not be causing cancer in non smokers? I hope he donated a good percentage of the profit from his film to a relevant cancer charity then.

As you have chosen to focus solely on the visible (dark) particulates what is the particulate matter content of the smoke coming out of the pictured stacks? Any idea?

I have no idea, and regardless of what Al Gore may or may not have done or said, I don't want to breathe the shite that comes out of these chimneys, and I certainly don't want to fall ill. No amount of clever spin will make me change my mind, thank you.

 

[ALFAitalia]

As you have chosen to focus solely on the visible (dark) particulates what is the particulate matter content of the smoke coming out of the pictured stacks? Any idea?

Does it matter?...breathing in tiny particles wont do you any good whether they are carcinogenic or not.

But Google tells me this.....none seem like much fun to breathe!!

Air pollution from coal-fired power plants

Air pollution from coal-fired power plants is large and varied and contributes to a significant number of negative environmental and health effects. When coal is burned to generate electricity, the combustion releases a combination of toxic chemicals into the environment, and thus the human...

www.gem.wiki

 

[ChipChop]

I have no idea, and regardless of what Al Gore may or may not have done or said, I don't want to breathe the shite that comes out of these chimneys, and I certainly don't want to fall ill. No amount of clever spin will make me change my mind, thank you.

Then choosing to live nowhere near industry is the solution. Also as your fellow humans exhale similar gases an area with a low population density may also be preferable.

 

[ChipChop]

Does it matter?...breathing in tiny particles wont do you any good whether they are carcinogenic or not.

But Google tells me this.....none seem like much fun to breathe!!

Air pollution from coal-fired power plants

Air pollution from coal-fired power plants is large and varied and contributes to a significant number of negative environmental and health effects. When coal is burned to generate electricity, the combustion releases a combination of toxic chemicals into the environment, and thus the human...

www.gem.wiki

The answer is particulates make up a tiny fraction of the exhaust gases when fossil fuels are combusted.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Did you read the bit in the link about particulate traveling thousands of miles from the power station source?....no where on earth is free from pollution these days....sure its less away from cities and manufacturing....but everywhere from the highest mountains to the deepest oceans have particulate pollution and micro plastics there days....where do you suggest he lives?....the moon!! The atmosphere is one big swirling mass....no air polutants and localised for long.

 

[ChipChop]

Did you read the bit in the link about particulate traveling thousands of miles from the power station source?....no where on earth is free from pollution these days....sure its less away from cities and manufacturing....but everywhere from the highest mountains to the deepest oceans have particulate pollution and micro plastics there days....where do you suggest he lives?....the moon!! The atmosphere is one big swirling mass....no air polutants and localised for long.

...and yet the worlds average life expectancy just keeps on increasing.

 

[markjay]

...and yet the worlds average life expectancy just keeps on increasing.

Well what do you know.... I guess that proves that breathing polluted air is actually good for you

 

[markjay]

Then choosing to live nowhere near industry is the solution.

I like you're thinking. Those who can choose to live in nice areas where the air is clean, should move. As for the rest... well, that's the price of having a thriving economy, I guess. Some people prosper, some people perish. That's life.

 

[ALFAitalia]

...and yet the worlds average life expectancy just keeps on increasing.

I think you will find that despite of the air air quality....not because of it.

Its actually declined slightly in recent years for various reasons...the obvious one being COVID.

 

[markjay]

Its actually declined slightly in recent years for various reasons...the obvious one being COVID.

Nonsense. No one died of COVID

 

[ChipChop]

I like you're thinking. Those who can choose to live in nice areas where the air is clean, should move. As for the rest... well, that's the price of having a thriving economy, I guess. Some people prosper, some people perish. That's life.

Plenty of places in the UK are now devoid of heavy industry and hence 'clean' by your dirty chimney alarmist logic. The globalists took care of that a long time ago.

Which of Al Gore's 2006 global warming predictions became reality 18 years later? Florida and the San Francisco Bay area are not underwater today as far as i am aware. There is also still snow on the top of Mount Kilamanjaro and 2005's Hurricane Katrina was not indicative of an ever increasing frequency of hurricanes on this planet. All claims instead turned out to be politically expedient climate alarmism which some choose to repeat to this day.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Climate change......and more importantly manmade climate change is a fact....proven time and time again beyond all reasonable doubt......sure predictions have been wrong....and some have been wrong the wrong way....for example the rate of glacier melt back and loss of artic sea ice is far FASTER than predicted. So as usual the deniers just pic the facts to suit.


I'm no green evangelist, I will never own an an EV....not because I don't believe in climate change..but because I like cars too much they are all largely shite to drive and look hideous and sound rubbish! Sure Ive not driven them all.....but I drive quite a few as part of my side hustle of car delivery......opinions on others are based of road-tests etc. I did delivery a used Tesla X the other day though.....horrendous.......it felt even heaver than the 2400 kg it actually weighed......and the turn in was terrible....steer, wait....turn!
I even drive a derv at the moment.......bought when such things were encouraged and I did more miles than the Enterprise!!......next will be petrol.

 

[markjay]

The obvious issue with advance warnings, is that when they are heeded disaster is avoided, thus giving rise to claims that those who issued the warnings were 'alarmists'...