The EV fact thread

[clk320x]

-5c here and just done 150 miles in my EV, roasting hot inside (25c) with heated wheel and seat… and no need to scrape the ice off before leaving… I can see why these are catching on. Is the consumption slightly higher than in summer? Yes.. but does it matter in practicality? I’d say no…

Good ammo for the typical anti-EV shit-poster though who has no intention in ever owning one away?

 

[Steveml63]

-5c here and just done 150 miles in my EV, roasting hot inside (25c) with heated wheel and seat… and no need to scrape the ice off before leaving… I can see why these are catching on. Is the consumption slightly higher than in summer? Yes.. but does it matter in practicality? I’d say no…

Good ammo for the typical anti-EV shit-poster though who has no intention in ever owning one away?

And this is exactly the opposite of what we do here in the summer!
We switch on the AC remotely around 10 minutes before we are due to get in the roasting hot car (inside temperature when parked in the sun can be above 70 degrees C)! - see screenshot below from the Tesla app taken on 2nd July 2024.
Previously - you would either get in a roasting hot car and drive away - sweating profusely or you would open the door, lean in to put on the ignition, foot on the brake (whilst trying to balance and keep rest of your body out of the car and then switch on the engine and put AC on full cool mode).
This meant that you then needed to leave car running, unattended for 10 minutes whilst you waited for it to cool - wasted fuel, exhaust emissions and actually illegal here to have engine running without somebody in the car!

 

[markjay]

And this is exactly the opposite of what we do here in the summer!
We switch on the AC remotely around 10 minutes before we are due to get in the roasting hot car (inside temperature when parked in the sun can be above 70 degrees C)! - see screenshot below from the Tesla app taken on 2nd July 2024.
Previously - you would either get in a roasting hot car and drive away - sweating profusely or you would open the door, lean in to put on the ignition, foot on the brake (whilst trying to balance and keep rest of your body out of the car and then switch on the engine and put AC on full cool mode).
This meant that you then needed to leave car running, unattended for 10 minutes whilst you waited for it to cool - wasted fuel, exhaust emissions and actually illegal here to have engine running without somebody in the car!

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We have the same issue here in the UK..... but in winter :

Could you get fined for de-icing your car? | RAC Drive

You can be fined for leaving your car engine switched on to melt the ice and frost from the windscreen. Find out more with our guide.

www.rac.co.uk

(The majority of ICE cars do not have pre-heating)

 

[markjay]

In the interest of balance, can we also have a thread called "The ICE car fact thread"?

This would have been my first post:

Urgent warning to motorists as 'contaminated fuel' sparks breakdowns

'Contaminated fuel' from a major UK petrol station chain has left motorists and businesses reeling after its use reportedly led to tens of vehicles breaking down.

mol.im

 

[BTB 500]

We have the same issue here in the UK..... but in winter :

Could you get fined for de-icing your car? | RAC Drive

You can be fined for leaving your car engine switched on to melt the ice and frost from the windscreen. Find out more with our guide.

www.rac.co.uk

(The majority of ICE cars do not have pre-heating)

Only illegal on a public road of course. But personally I just open the garage, start up, and drive out

 

[philnewmerc]

Ok I've read enough now. EVs are superior to ice in several ways and are clearly the future . But if you can't charge overnight then they're no better than an ice car (swings and roundabouts), unless you value local environmental issues above range and ease of refuelling, which is fair enough.

Please lock the thread now

 

[Dryce]

But personally I just open the garage, start up, and drive out

In SE Asia you see huge condominiums built on top of huge car multi level parks. The climate may be hot but the cars are in shade.

While there isn't much of a move to EVs as yet - I'd expect to see installations of charging facilities to support overnight charging in a growing proportion of the parking bays when that move does happen.

 

[BTB 500]

This week in the US a class action lawsuit was filed against Audi following the recent E-Tron battery issues / recall:

The alleged defect causes the electric batteries in the Audi e-tron models listed above to overheat or short circuit, increasing the risk of fire, according to communications involving the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The latest recall instructs certain e-tron owners to limit their vehicle’s charging to 80% capacity.

And the same for Porsche:

Our auto defect attorneys have already filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of over 27,000 electric Porsche Taycan owners whose vehicles have been recalled for the same alleged defect as the Audi E-Tron.

Recalled Audi E-Tron Owners: Join Class Action Lawsuit

Our firm is investigating a potential class action lawsuit on behalf of owners of Audi E-Tron electric vehicles recalled for battery issues.

www.classlawgroup.com

 

[SmartAmg]

This week in the US a class action lawsuit was filed against Audi following the recent E-Tron battery issues / recall:



And the same for Porsche:

Recalled Audi E-Tron Owners: Join Class Action Lawsuit

Our firm is investigating a potential class action lawsuit on behalf of owners of Audi E-Tron electric vehicles recalled for battery issues.

www.classlawgroup.com

Thanks for that, and?

 

[BTB 500]

Thanks for that, and?

It's an EV fact ...

Interesting to see two major manufacturers being sued like this though. I assume Jaguar must have sold a reasonable number of I-PACE in the US but I don't recall any talk of a law suit there (or maybe I missed it?).

 

[markjay]

It's either an EV fact ... or an 'Audi and Porsche fact' - it remains to be seen

FTFY

I did make the point earlier that some marques are better than others when it comes to reliability, and this is probably being carried across from ICE to EV.

 

[SmartAmg]

It's an EV fact ...

Interesting to see two major manufacturers being sued like this though. I assume Jaguar must have sold a reasonable number of I-PACE in the US but I don't recall any talk of a law suit there (or maybe I missed it?).

Fair enough. But on the other hand it is America. And they will sue for literally owt. I can imagine what they would have made of Dieselgate. Did that effect them over there?

 

[rf065]

It's an EV fact ...

Interesting to see two major manufacturers being sued like this though. I assume Jaguar must have sold a reasonable number of I-PACE in the US but I don't recall any talk of a law suit there (or maybe I missed it?).

Jaguar also has a class action against them in the US.

 

[rf065]

Fair enough. But on the other hand it is America. And they will sue for literally owt. I can imagine what they would have made of Dieselgate. Did that effect them over there?

Yes, VW had to buy back all affected diesels. Also fined millions of dollars.

 

[BTB 500]

FTFY

I did make the point earlier that some marques are better than others when it comes to reliability, and this is probably being carried across from ICE to EV.

Do Audi or Porsche have a bad reputation for reliability?

 

[markjay]

Do Audi or Porsche have a bad reputation for reliability?

Never had either.

But I did have a Toyota, a Kia, and a Hyundai that were faultless... coincidence?

 

[BTB 500]

Fair enough. But on the other hand it is America. And they will sue for literally owt.

I remember a story about a pilot who crashed in a Pitts Special biplane in the US. A bystander jumped into his pickup and rushed over to the site to see if there was anything he could do. On the way he clipped a ladder, and the guy working on top of it fell off and was injured. He successfully sued ... not the pickup truck driver, but the estate of the dead pilot?!

 

[SmartAmg]

I remember a story about a pilot who crashed in a Pitts Special biplane in the US. A bystander jumped into his pickup and rushed over to the site to see if there was anything he could do. On the way he clipped a ladder, and the guy working on top of it fell off and was injured. He successfully sued ... not the pickup truck driver, but the estate of the dead pilot?!

And probably won. Nuff said.

 

[BTB 500]

Never had either.

But I did have a Toyota, a Kia, and a Hyundai that were faultless... coincidence?

AFAIK Nissan ICEs have a pretty good reputation for reliability? I recently posted an Edd China video about the work required to fix a Leaf EV battery that had died after just 21k miles. Turned out to be a failed 'contactor' (essentially a relay) buried deep inside the pack, rather than anything to do with the cells. Anyway there was an update today - he'd pulled another failed one apart and found that (as expected) the contacts had welded together, causing a short. There's some discussion about whether the contactor is actually rated for the current it's potentially exposed here but something was clearly wrong as it had failed (and apparently this is relatively common). Seems crazy to have to remove and disassemble the entire battery pack to get at this cheap moving part. Skip to 4:14 if you're interested:

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[markjay]

AFAIK Nissan ICEs have a pretty good reputation for reliability? I recently posted an Edd China video about the work required to fix a Leaf EV battery that had died after just 21k miles. Turned out to be a failed 'contactor' (essentially a relay) buried deep inside the pack, rather than anything to do with the cells. Anyway there was an update today - he'd pulled another failed one apart and found that (as expected) the contacts had welded together, causing a short. There's some discussion about whether the contactor is actually rated for the current it's potentially exposed here but something was clearly wrong as it had failed (and apparently this is relatively common). Seems crazy to have to remove and disassemble the entire battery pack to get at this cheap moving part. Skip to 4:14 if you're interested:

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Not sure what this is meant to demonstrate - or has there been a class action against Nissan in the US, that I am unaware of?

In any event, the Leaf's reliability seems better than the Qashqai. As I said, I believe that this isn't an issue with EVs' reliability compared to ICE... it's simply the case that some marques are more reliable than others.

And, given that EVs have only been around for just under a decade or so (most marques, anyway), I think that it's a no-brainer that over time they'll be far less troublesome than ICE cars, that have been in production for over a century.