The EV fact thread

[ToeKnee]

The discussion could be very brief, if only people refrained from disagreeing with me!

I disagree.....

 

[SmartAmg]

I disagree.....

Your very argumentative.

 

[BTB 500]

Generally it's all done by cameras across Europe and North America.

Use the roads you want to use, with a Sender on your windscreen on you windscreen and it goes to your account.

Drive on a main road without a sender, and the fine will make its way to the recorded owner of your car. (Yes, there is a problem with fake number plates)

The Government doesn't care if you choose not to go into cities or use the main roads. It just wants your money.

So you don't pay anything if you avoid main roads and cities??

 

[ALFAitalia]

What's the problem?

The A27 is crying out for Portuguese style ANPR cameras

Think how much money Sussex could make from fines from people attending Goodwood, or just routine billing from people "going to work."

And superb news for the owners of local pubs as people stop driving 25 miles for a pub lunch somewhere cute, or to go shopping at GunWharf Quays

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We might get something like this even if it does not go national. Soon we (West and East sussex and Kent) are becoming "The South Coast People's Republic" with our own Mayor etc like London and other big cities... but without actually having any big cities!!!...hopefully we won't get a bell end like Kahn introducing lots of unpopular crap....like ULEZ and pay per mile.Only time will... but as you can probably tell...I'm not for it! And unlike London, us country folks won't put up with any of that crap!

 

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More from the Daily Mail:

Rachel Reeves faces fresh pressure over 'pay-per-mile' driving charges

The Government's climate advisers piled fresh pressure on the Chancellor to consider alternative levies to address lost receipts from fuel duty.

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"Ms Reeves is being urged to consider a 'pay-per-mile' scheme, which would see drivers charged for every mile they drive regardless of how they power their cars.

Iceland and New Zealand already have a pay-per-mile taxation policies in place for electric vehicles."

Personally, I am not opposed to it.

I think pay per mile is an excellent idea but it's been an excellent idea for many years now and nothing has happened. The loss of taxation income when EV's were introduced was entirely foreseeable but the politicians have done net zero about resolving the issue. This pay per mile recommendation comes up regularly year after year and nothing happens. I had thought it was because we are incapable of engineering such a scheme but if other countries have done it then it must be technically feasible. Still, I won't hold my breath.

 

[ToeKnee]

Your very argumentative.

No I'm not!

 

[SmartAmg]

The loss of taxation income when EV's were introduced was entirely foreseeable but the politicians have done net zero about resolving the issue.

They have now from April this year.
And ironically, now paying more than some, ICE cars.

Still, I won't hold my breath.

Think that's probably a good idea.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

So you don't pay anything if you avoid main roads and cities??

In the States and Europe, the method is to target the roads that people “need” or “have” to use, not the Byways.

Of course it ends up being a bit of a luxury tax.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

And unlike London, us country folks won't put up with any of that crap!

 

[BTB 500]

In the States and Europe, the method is to target the roads that people “need” or “have” to use, not the Byways.

Even better for us then as almost all our local driving is on minor roads which would be 'free'.

 

[markjay]

So you don't pay anything if you avoid main roads and cities??

That's my issue as well, based on my experience with toll roads in Europe.

The toll on the French autoroutes and Italian autostradas didn't improve safety, really, with locals avoiding them and using other lesser roads instead.

In the UK, most toll roads are unavoidable - the Dartford crossing, for example - you'll really have to go out of your way to avoid it (and the Blackwall Tunnel will soon have a toll as well).

We really don't want to see convoys of penny-pinchers driving through narrow country lanes to avoid being tracked by pay-per-mile enforcement devices.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Pay per mile would be great for us ... just can't see how it could be implemented short of everyone having to pay to get GPS trackers fitted to their vehicles.

Cameras would be a non-starter in many rural areas like ours.

I’d be surprised if it’s anything other than primary routes only, for which the infrastructure largely exists

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Even before Musk got involve in politics I would not have bought a Tesla......not because there is anything much wrong with them....but just because other brands are much better VFM now.....and largely better looking too.

I think mine was a solitary view last time I shared it, however I believe that in years to come, Tesla models - and especially the Model S - will be considered a design classic, maybe even iconic.

For the design to have been successfully stretched across four models so coherently - and to have persisted for more than a decade with barely any revisions - is truly exceptional.

Holzhausen did well.

 

[clk320x]

I think mine was a solitary view last time I shared it, however I believe that in years to come, Tesla models - and especially the Model S - will be considered a design classic, maybe even iconic.

For the design to have been successfully stretched across four models so coherently - and to have persisted for more than a decade with barely any revisions - is truly exceptional.

I agree. The Model S is still spectacular to look at despite at the core being a 13 year old design.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Even better for us then as almost all our local driving is on minor roads which would be 'free'.

Exactly.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I think mine was a solitary view last time I shared it, however I believe that in years to come, Tesla models - and especially the Model S - will be considered a design classic, maybe even iconic.

For the design to have been successfully stretched across four models so coherently - and to have persisted for more than a decade with barely any revisions - is truly exceptional.

Holzhausen did well.

Aye, agreed on that.

But the biggest seller, the Tesla 3 is rubbish, and has been since it was introduced. It’s novel, and interesting but the build quality is dreadful and it simply cannot be driven by “just anyone” who jumps in and needs to drive anywhere. It’s simply not user friendly

While the Y is outclassed by the Kia and Ioniq, with MG snapping at its heels for slightly more than half price.

The Tesla S was a great introduction, but its built for American roads, and its almost S class size is unsuitable for UK roads.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Each to their own...the S is OK......but the rest....so mainly the 3, X and Y are bland amorphous blobs to me. The duck bill fronted old 3 has a particularly featureless look. If Merc has designed that for an ICE car it would have been slated....but Tesla seem to be able to do no wrong.
Mind you Merc got close with the gopping EQE and EQS!