The Great Global Warming Swindle Full Movie

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  1. stwat

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    The proof that all the greens like to ignore. Oh but we are the ones denying the truth that we have ruined the world and have to pay 'green taxes' all over the place !! The feckkers have exploited this floored theory to rape us all and make us feel guilty for nothing !!

    What fecks me off more than anything is that 'clean energy' has bee known about and suppressed by Governments and Industrialists worldwide for decades just so they could become rich via oil coal and gas !!

    It's all about the money folks. And now they are raping even more from us by telling us we need to pay for 'green energy' !! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny !

    [flash=450,450]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg[/flash]

    The Great Global Warming Swindle Full Movie - YouTube
     
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    Indeed, truly floored :D:D

    :bannana::crazy::fail:bannana::bannana::bannana::wallbash::bannana:
     
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    A critique of the programme here. The Great Global Warming Swindle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The main weakness of the arguments advanced by opponents against the theory of climate change is that inevitably they centre round increased costs and taxation and often involve "conspiracy theories" . While these are possibly legitimate arguments concerning how democratically elected Western societies impose taxation on their citizens in order to raise revenue and attempt to modify their overall behaviour THEY DO VERY LITTLE TO DISPROVE THE ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF THE PHENOMENON. Confusing the two issues is not helpful.:fail
    Just because you don't like something doesn't make it untrue- its called being in denial.:doh:
     
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    Is it possible to rape something from someone ?
     
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    We've been here countless times before chaps.

    I agree the financial side of this is extremely unattractive with silly taxes everywhere with little real work done to cut CO2 back.

    Climates do vary, the question is, are we really playing a part in assisting a natural phenomenon.

    Think of the children people!!!
     
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    It is true that governments tend to jump on the bandwagon when taxation is involved.

    They happily and heavily tax 'bad' things including alcohol, tobacco, fuel, congestion (in London), and of course greenhouse gas emissions where they can.

    They claim that the taxation is there to modify and shape public's behaviour, but there is no denying it is also a valuable source of revenue to the government.

    Cynics will say that their real motivation is tax revenue, ideologists will say the government really cares about the planet, but the truth is probably that it is a bit of both.

    Said that, as others pointed-out, the 'bad' things are either true it false, and their scientific validity is unrelated to the government's income or motives.
     
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    There is one fact, the earth is getting warmer.

    There are lots of theories
    Scientists say we are to blame, theory not yet proven
    Greenhouse gases are causing the warming, theory, why don't the various governments agree on measures to stop this? Money! If governments don't care, why should we? But they increase taxes :wallbash:

    The science side is I wonder about. At school we were taught many scientific theories that were later proven incorrect, so why are they correct now, not scientific, but what happened to the millennium bug, I guess it died. Some bloke:D said we cannot travel faster than light, why not, its only a speed. Its just the fact you will arrive before you see where you are going :D
     
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    I agree, but I don't think that's what's being suggested.

    The trouble with the fixation with AGW is that it's driving stupid decisions. If AGW is the primary motor of climate change (highly unlikely, in my view) then concentrating on eliminating CO2 production will neither reverse the effects in a timely manner nor mitigate the consequences.

    Instead of concentrating on daft targets for CO2 reduction we should be expending our efforts on dealing with what changes to agriculture and other life-sustaining factors climate change will cause.
     
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    That climate change is ocurring is beyond dispute. The effect (and magnitude of) that mankind has on the process is up for debate. What doesn't make sense to me is that those who argue that there is no climate change and/orthat it's not man made then give up on all renewable sources (disparagingly so) and base our future energy requirements on fossil fuels alone. This when A) we know they are finite, B) we know the global unrest obtaining them creates.
    I guess I just try and use the issue as a Trojan Horse to wean us from our fossil fuel addiction!
     
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    Yes, they're often re-writing the text books, burning all the phlogiston out of the old theories. That's science for you.

    Y2K was a genuine issue, overhyped with talk of planes falling out of the sky and reactors exploding. Many people did a lot of work behind the scenes to make the bug "die".

    The problem with faster-than-light travel is that it appears that the energy required to get to light speed is infinite, which, for reference, is slightly less economical than a GL63 AMG.
     
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    They had to - when it was realised there wasn't the ground space to have all the world's planes grounded at the same time.
     
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    We should be concentrating our efforts on reducing our consumption of finite fossil fuels as well as preparing for the consequences of climate change, regardless of its causes.
     
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    err,,,, Ohhh,,,,,,Kkkkkkayyyyy,,,,,,

    Is it me or has no one else noticed that on every weather "crisis" they report the wettest winter since 1967, the warmest since 1938 etc etc if it is all recent fault and down to big thirsty cars and coal fired power stations, why has it been worse and recorded as such previously?
     
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    Extreme weather events that occurred maybe once every couple of decades or once in a generation are now being recorded more and more often. They may not always be the most extreme but their increased frequency is cause for serious concern.
     
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    In the early 70s the big fear was the imminent mini ice age...what happened to that?
     
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    The Great Global Warming Swindle Full Movie - YouTube

    About 36 minutes in.

    Yes I have watched it all the way through, and the wiki 'rebuttal' page. Interesting findings by Ofcom, not exactly a convincing riposte.
    The science made as much sense as any AGW stuff to a non expert.

    Can't quite bring myself to trust 'forecasts' decades and centuries out, when the models for simple weather are inaccurate beyond a few days...
     
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    That pesky Gulf Stream hasn't slowed down enough yet.
     
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    I agree that it's sensible to reduce consumption of fossil fuels, because they're a finite resource.

    The trouble with the anti-CO2 brigade is that they erroneously sell the notion to scientifically illiterate politicians and a similarly naive populace that reducing CO2 will somehow reverse climate change (it won't - at least not on a measureable human timescale) and don't think through the consequences of rapid reduction of CO2 emissions on life-sustaining things we think of as routine today such as the provision of electricity, heat, light, irrigation, etc.

    If the siren anti-CO2 voices were as vocal about taking steps to prepare humankind to live through the inevitable changes to the globe's climate as they are in peddling their "reduce CO2 and it'll all be alright" nonsense, then they might be doing some good. But they're not and they aren't.
     
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    Or was it that the climate model was wrong? Again.
     

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