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God if only Politics (and especially Northern Ireland politics) where black and white :doh:

I suspect there are those on the other side of the system looking at the electorate and shaking their heads - thinking if only they were understandable and consistent.
 
Labour were presented with a huge open goal by the Government, the long campaign allowed more and more positive coverage of Mr Corbyn but despite that Labour still lost and by quite a margin.

Errr....no.

The Tories thought they had spotted an open goal with a fractured and unpopular opposition proving just too tempting a proposition for Theresa and her clique to pass up.

But they somehow contrived to turn the "open goal" into an own goal.
 
Errr....no.

The Tories thought they had spotted an open goal with a fractured and unpopular opposition proving just too tempting a proposition for Theresa and her clique to pass up.

But they somehow contrived to turn the "open goal" into an own goal.

I agree. The Tories had a look and saw that the goalie was an old man fast asleep in the corner as old people do... but once the ball started flying, he morphed into into Buffon no less and saved the day.... oops no footie allowed.

(Had to mention Buffon in case one of my Italian relations are reading this...)
 
On the issue of tuition fees and student debt...

There seems to be little doubt that students who usually displayed low turnout compared to the rest of the population, voted in their droves in these elections, and the exit poles suggest that two thirds of young people voted Labour.

A young lady caller on Radio 4 said today that she and most of the students she knows voted for Corbyn because Labour promised to scrap tuition fees. When asked if she did not accept that this was in fact a bribe, she said it wasn't a bride, and pointed-out that those MPs who voted for tuition fees and student loans at the time, did their own university studies themselves for free, so it's only fair that young people of today will get it for free as well. Bribe or fair play? I guess it's a matter of opinion.
 
It's not just young people of voting age that Corbyn won over with student fees. Schools commonly run a mock election with students and one outcome that I know of returned a landslide for labour. I wouldn't be surprised if that was common across schools.

I did not and would never vote labour but the Conservatives simply are not listening on school funding. It's been reported in the media that schools have started sending begging letters out to parents which will have influenced them too. It was an obvious own goal by Mrs May.
 
It's not just young people of voting age that Corbyn won over with student fees. Schools commonly run a mock election with students and one outcome that I know of returned a landslide for labour. I wouldn't be surprised if that was common across schools.

I did not and would never vote labour but the Conservatives simply are not listening on school funding. It's been reported in the media that schools have started sending begging letters out to parents which will have influenced them too. It was an obvious own goal by Mrs May.

What age? Presumably late teens will be well aware that scrapping university tuition fees will benefit them once they graduate?

Said that, I think you do have a point.
 
Mock elections were held in every year group from year 7 up to the sixth form. Every year group returned a labour landslide. This by the way is a school in a relatively prosperous area which of course means a school with the lowest funding per pupil. Students must be aware of the crisis in school funding so even without Corbyn's promise on tuition fees I suspect the majority would still have voted Labour.
 
Not sure if this has already been said here?

Is it not simply that Corbyn & Labour, being so certain that they would never win an election, threw the kitchen sink at it. I mean we will never have to actually deliver any of this or be called to account for anything we are saying here, will we?

I suspect that there were few stained underpants when it started to look like they may actually win and have to come up with the goodies. Corbyn's 'Free Beer Tomorrow' sign could have been found hiding around the back.
 
Mock elections were held in every year group from year 7 up to the sixth form. Every year group returned a labour landslide. This by the way is a school in a relatively prosperous area which of course means a school with the lowest funding per pupil. Students must be aware of the crisis in school funding so even without Corbyn's promise on tuition fees I suspect the majority would still have voted Labour.

Variations on a theme.

"A young man who isn’t a socialist hasn’t got a heart; an old man who is a socialist hasn’t got a head."
Georges Clemenceau

"If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain."
Winston Churchill (allegedly)
 
Copied from elsewhere, make of it what you will

The Labour Manifesto stands out as a Promise to everyone of Free Housing. Free Meals. Free Tuition fees. Free parking at Hospitals. Free Nursery care etc. etc.
More Police. More Schools. More of everything, and to pay for it we tax the rich who in Corbyns Socialist eyes dont deserve the wealth they worked hard for.

Great post from Iain Dale on the Labour manifesto.
Thatcher once said: “The trouble with socialism is that you always end up running out of other people’s money.”
The Labour Party manifesto is proof of this – well, it would be if it were ever implemented. I came across this little tale on one of my friend’s Facebook page. I’m not sure if the tale is apocrophal or not, but it doesn’t really matter.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn’s vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Corbyn’s ideological plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.

There are five morals to this story:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation."
 
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On the issue of tuition fees and student debt...

There seems to be little doubt that students who usually displayed low turnout compared to the rest of the population, voted in their droves in these elections, and the exit poles suggest that two thirds of young people voted Labour.

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Don't you get it?

People don't want new labour anymore.

Again Nick, thats rubbish. The country doesnt want a hard left government any more than they want a hard right one. History shows that the electorate actually did want New Labour which why Blair was so successful.

Even when the tories virtually handed the election to Labour they still LOST. May polled more votes than any Blair election. In fact the only Labour victory that polled more was the Attlee post war election.

The electorate, even when taking into account the largely naive youth vote, didnt elect Corbyn. He is toxic to too many people with his terrorist links, communist tendancies and unachievable promises.

I am not saying May is right by any stretch but even if she is useless, incompetent and in your words 'corrupt, liar etc' she still beat Corbyn. So if these characteristics of hers are true as you claim, how bad is Corbyn to have lost to someone like that?

You seem to forget also Nick that this is the third straight loss in a row for Labour. Doesn't look to me like people want a left wing government at the moment.
 
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I mean we will never have to actually deliver any of this or be called to account for anything we are saying here, will we?

You mean like the £350m a week for the NHS???
 
The electorate, even when taking into account the largely naive youth vote, didnt elect Corbyn.

So the young are fools?

He is toxic to too many people with his terrorist links

"The Tories are forming a coalition with a party backed by terrorists

The UDA is a violent loyalist paramilitary group, which is still active today. Just weeks ago, it murdered a man in broad daylight in Northern Ireland – he was shot dead in a Sainsbury’s car park in front of horrified shoppers and his three-year-old son"

communist tendancies

Helping themselves to other people's assets?

"The Tory proposal would count Alec’s home – valued at around £200,000 – as part of his means-testable assets, bringing it into line with rules of residential care funding and meaning that the state could earmark a chunk of the value of the home to put towards the cost of his care.

The Conservatives propose a capital floor of £100,000, meaning that in Alec’s case up to half the value of his home could be assigned to meet the cost of his care, payable to the state after his death, when the house is sold."

unachievable promises.

"Theresa May’s 9 U-turns
The prime minister is making a habit of retreating from policies"

(https://www.ft.com/content/e021c208-3ede-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2)

I am not saying May is right by any stretch but even if she is useless, incompetent and in your words 'corrupt, liar etc' she still beat Corbyn.

How come she got humiliated and will have to resign?
 
This contentious subject of funding education I just don't get, out of all the things to "give away free" what's better than education?
 
...History shows that the electorate actually did want New Labour which why Blair was so successful...

Yes, and 3 times in a row! More than a coincidence, Nick... New Labour was exactly what people wanted. Corbyn moving to the Centre (as he has done in the past month) is the Tories' worst nightmare.

Of course moving to the centre also means he will have to renege on many of his manifesto promises.... en masse nationalisation of transport and utilities, regular public sector pay increases, free this, free that, etc.

But, hey, that's politics...
 
I'm all for funding some degree level subjects out of the public purse: e.g., the "hard" sciences (maths, physics, chemistry, etc.), engineering, economics and a few other subjects. However, I'm not sold on some of the subjects that are, in my opinion, taught for the sake of giving lecturers a job and students a useless degree, but keeps them off the unemployment register for three years. I must declare an interest here - I did a physics degree many years ago. I hope I haven't stirred up a storm.
 

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