The UK Politics & Brexit Thread

[markjay]

Agreed. Intolerance of a society where a widening inequality abounds.
One rule for the privileged and one for the rest. A recipe for disaster that has been growing for years.

...and this has successfully been exploited by Jeremy Corbyn to propel him straight to the top job in the Labour party. It makes divisive politics so much more palatable for the masses. The Tories are really shooting themselves in the foot with this one.

 

[m80]

I see the Frost resignation as pulling the rug from under Boris, even if just a little more, and then another bit more, eventually the rug has gone.

Something that is only partially recognised so far is the now open corruption of our MET.
They are there to police, and w/o favour.

The blatant Tory corruption, though half expected by many and thus with an element of acceptance, is disgusting enough. Now as more faith is lost in our policing we sink to a level that is bordering anarchy.
Those with considerations toward mass public disorder will feel they have justification to be a part of just that.

I said it in partial jest previously but now it may be getting too close for comfort, 'you don't have to be able to spell guillotine to be able to make one'.

Boris must go and soon.
Those in Westminster that had such disregard for the covid restrictions need to be prosecuted.
It would be better late than never, but even if soon it still would be only just better.
Those that have so far decided not to investigate the 'parties' need to be held accountable.

Then Frost can be reinstated as the eu negotiator by who ever steps into the unwanted leadership role.

 

[Dryce]

A committed Tory for most of my life, I can’t remember almost any time when the party has been in more disarray.

If you changed that word 'Tory' to 'Labour' or 'Liberal Democrat' in your first sentence do you think that would a statement that commited and thoughtful supporters of those parties could make with the same kind of despair?

The only people I know amongst friends, relatives, colleagues, acquaintances who are not unsettled by their own favoured parties are the few dogmatists who only point the finger at the others and avoid looking at the issues and problems within their own. The majority are left wondering how did we get to this state where the political groups seem to be so incoherent and fragmented and disordered.

 

[st13phil]

The majority are left wondering how did we get to this state where the political groups seem to be so incoherent and fragmented and disordered.

Quite. I had thought that Brexit gave rise to a good deal of the rancour we see in politics today, but in retrospect maybe it just shone a light on what was already there, just below the surface?

On the subject of tolerance - or rather the lack of it - I find it extraordinary that those who profess to champion tolerance are, in general, those who are the most rabid in their condemnation of anyone who questions their views and opinions, let alone challenges them. Very strange.

And the two features - political rancour and general intolerance - seem to be mutually reinforcing with "identity politics" and "virtue signalling" seemingly the default refuge of many of our frankly incompetent politicians. I'm not sure how we get ourselves out of this mess, but should we not do so soon I foresee an increasing potential for mass civil unrest - which is not something I relish one bit.

 

[m80]

Me no socialist,
me used to vote Tory.
Just sayin' like.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

There is a great irony in the fact that this toxicity and intolerance is being driven by people who believe they are tolerant of others by being woke (woken up to social and racial injustice). It's these holier than thou people who decry heroes from our past like Winston Churchill and pull down statues. Judging history, especially distant history by current woke standards is lunacy. It's inherently destructive and negative to be thinking in those terms and that negativity seems to be feeding into day to day society. This whole woke and cancel culture crap is the most worrying aspect of modern society in my opinion. If Churchill can't get by on credit for winning the war then Boris has no chance if the only thing he has achieved is Brexit.

I think that we are going to have to get used to it.

Either adapt or become a stubborn old grunter, the choice is yours to make.

 

[Dippo]

What happened to Boris' Ethics Advisor, Lord Geidt? I thought he was about to quit a week ago after it emerged that Boris hadn't been completely honest with him about the redecoration. I haven't seen anything about him actually resigning - then again, I suppose he wouldn't want to miss this year's Downing Street Christmas Parties!

 

[del320]

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Having Adrian Dunbar doing the voiceover is very clever!

 

[Petrol Pete]

Boris might regret selling those water cannon for scrap value. He might need them soon .

 

[st13phil]

And just when you thought things couldn't get madder, the Welsh Labour government has introduced £60 fines for going to work:

Covid: Fines for Wales employees not working from home

People must work from home unless there is "a reasonable excuse" with fines for bosses and workers.

www.bbc.co.uk

Truly beyond parody

 

[GeeJayW]

And just when you thought things couldn't get madder, the Welsh Labour government has introduced £60 fines for going to work:

Covid: Fines for Wales employees not working from home

People must work from home unless there is "a reasonable excuse" with fines for bosses and workers.

www.bbc.co.uk

Truly beyond parody

And yet it’s still ok to go to the pub…

 

[m80]

And just when you thought things couldn't get madder, the Welsh Labour government has introduced £60 fines for going to work:

Covid: Fines for Wales employees not working from home

People must work from home unless there is "a reasonable excuse" with fines for bosses and workers.

www.bbc.co.uk

Truly beyond parody

A couple of weeks back the Welsh Labour and Plaid Cymru agreed on the strategy to charge a 200% surcharge on 2nd property owners in Wales.
I personally feel that is anti capitalist, but more so anti English.

While the actual implementation has yet to be decided most would recognise the v strong possibility of this having the longer term effect of destroying their own economy, as such investors choose elsewhere.

We will pay for such f' ups as Westminster will be the ultimate bail out.

 

[st13phil]

And yet it’s still ok to go to the pub…

Precisely. Complete (and very obvious) idiocy.

Not only have many of the UK's politicians failed to understand that using the law to control personal interactions that are none of the government's business is doomed to fail, they continue to enact more legal regulations aimed at doing exactly that.

"The medicine isn't working. We must administer more of it!".

 

[Deleted member 159894]

A couple of weeks back the Welsh Labour and Plaid Cymru agreed on the strategy to charge a 200% surcharge on 2nd property owners in Wales.
I personally feel that is anti capitalist, but more so anti English.

While the actual implementation has yet to be decided most would recognise the v strong possibility of this having the longer term effect of destroying their own economy, as such investors choose elsewhere.

We will pay for such f' ups as Westminster will be the ultimate bail out.

Sigh.

 

[GeeJayW]

Precisely. Complete (and very obvious) idiocy.

Not only have many of the UK's politicians failed to understand that using the law to control personal interactions that are none of the government's business is doomed to fail, they continue to enact more legal regulations aimed at doing exactly that.

"The medicine isn't working. We must administer more of it!".

Particularly from the devolved ‘parliaments’ who are seemingly compelled to enact something different from whatever emanates from Westminster.

I’m surprised we still have to drive on the left in Wales and Scotland. Thought they’d have changed that by now.

 

[Dryce]

Particularly from the devolved ‘parliaments’ who are seemingly compelled to enact something different from whatever emanates from Westminster.

In Scotland I think we have four factors at work:

- kneejerk differentiation
- fear about being caught out on NHS resilience
- a greater level of authoritarianism and lack of respect for basic freedoms
- lack of fiscal responsibility

 

[Tonye]

Would be happy to be educated on who could be relied upon to do anything significantly different/better from the present bunch.

My mate in the pub

 

[John N]

We are all saved, Wee Burney has sacrificed Scotlands Ne-erday Cebrations to save all Nations!

(I wish she could ban Hootenany as well)

 

[Dryce]

My mate in the pub

Is that going to be the mate along with the rest of his other mates in the pubs in Wales - watching sport in close Covid confinement - because Mr Drakeford has stopped outdoor gatherings at stadia?

(I appreciate that these decisions for the devolved governments are not necessarily easy - but I do wonder when I see the likes of Mr Drakeford and Ms Sturgeon who appear to be career lifetime politicians with limited 'real world' experience outside of their political peers - getting to groups with real world practicalities and give and take)

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Is that going to be the mate along with the rest of his other mates in the pubs in Wales - watching sport in close Covid confinement - because Mr Drakeford has stopped outdoor gatherings at stadia?

(I appreciate that these decisions for the devolved governments are not necessarily easy - but I do wonder when I see the likes of Mr Drakeford and Ms Sturgeon who appear to be career lifetime politicians with limited 'real world' experience outside of their political peers - getting to groups with real world practicalities and give and take)

The actual rules:

• A general requirement of 2m social distancing in all premises open to the public and workplaces, where reasonable.
• The rule of six will apply to gatherings in regulated premises, such as hospitality, cinemas and theatres.