The UK Politics & Brexit Thread

[markjay]

Initial reaction to the Chancellor's statement:

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Of course, because Kier Starmer is a pauper.....

 

[markjay]

BTW, even his die-hard socialist and borderline communist predecessor Jermy Corbyn was on £84,144.00 a year.... and they complain that the Conservatives do not understand 'the hardships of working people'....

 

[Darrell]

Initial reaction to the Chancellor's statement:

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I’d say its much the same for most politicians.

 

[alzieboy]

Where’s Guy Fawkes when you need him the most .

 

[BigEyd]

Who'd have thought that they were coming for the electric car owners eh lol.
They are goners come the next election.

 

[markjay]

Who'd have thought that they were coming for the electric car owners eh lol.
They are goners come the next election.

All labour need do is put a charismatic candidate opposite the Conservatives' candidate. Kier is a decent chap but I just don't think he has what it takes to win an election.

 

[davymead]

Staggering amounts of Governmental waste on every level means somebody has to pay the bill.
Guess who …..

 

[BigEyd]

All labour need do is put a charismatic candidate opposite the Conservatives' candidate. Kier is a decent chap but I just don't think he has what it takes to win an election.

That's the truth of it, nobody in their right mind could have voted that other imbecile in.

Staggering amounts of Governmental waste on every level means somebody has to pay the bill.
Guess who …..

And that is not even mentioning the damage Krazy Kwareting and Truss did.

 

[Darrell]

They are goners come the next election.

So if Labour get in they’re going to drop it then are they??

 

[flowrider]

Who'd have thought that they were coming for the electric car owners eh lol.
They are goners come the next election.

Goners in favour of who? Labour? "Out of the frying pan into the fire" springs to mind!

 

[Darrell]

Goners in favour of who? Labour? "Out of the frying pan into the fire" springs to mind!

As I said before.
You’ve got 2 parties to choose from, a shit one and an even more shit one.

 

[whitenemesis]

watched the statement live and it bared no resemblance to the slanted reporting on the news. Talk about media interpretation and sensationalism

 

[BigEyd]

Goners in favour of who? Labour? "Out of the frying pan into the fire" springs to mind!

EVERY SINGLE BILL IS BEING INCREASED.....how the hell are the loony left going to make it worse ?
It simply cannot get any worse.

 

[como]

Oh how I wish that was a true statement

 

[190]

watched the statement live and it bared no resemblance to the slanted reporting on the news. Talk about media interpretation and sensationalism

What annoys me about the media reporting is that they seek out people who claim to be in poverty and have their hand out for more money, As a pensioner I know that they have been given more money than anyone else but the media will wheel out the disgruntled pensioner that can't afford to put the heating on, or more likely won't turn it on. At no time is there any recognition that there isn't a money tree to satisfy these demands. The underlying mood of the reporting is negative, negative, negative.

For myself the one disappointment is they didn't cancel vanity projects like HS2 which is a black hole of a money pit that will never return it's investment. The cost of HS2 at £155bn far exceeds the fiscal hole that they were trying to fix. In other words, none of these austerity measures would have been needed without HS2.

DfT: 'No plans to cancel HS2' despite inflationary cost hike claims | New Civil Engineer

 

[markjay]

To those writing-off the Conservatives... some history: Back in 2003, Tony Blair sucseeded in passing the Iraq war vote in Parliament even though most of his own party didn't want it (and the then Foreign Secretary Robin Cook even resigned over this) because he had the support of Tory MPs on this issue.

Not a bad strategy, mind..... Rishi Sunak is taking a leaf out of Labour's book by passing a near-Corbyinite leftist budget, that Keir Starmer can't really criticise.

Come next elections.... only the die-hard Labour voters will still vote Labour. Or, that's Rishi's plan, anyway.

 

[Dryce]

It simply cannot get any worse.

Actually it can.

As we saw with Ms Truss and Mr Kwarteng there was an attempt at different form of budget and we faced issiues with the value of the pound and gilts.

We're in an compounding situation. There has been economic trouble built up from the 2000s that was never cleared up. We had the money the invention of 'Quantative Easing'. Then we had Covid and the Conservatives turning into Labour and giving away huge amounts of money and buildibg debt. Then we have Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the energy price spike.

The roots of all this don't entirely lie with Mr Blair and Mr Brown but a large amount of it does - because Mr Brown inherited a relatively benign (by UL standards) econmic position and then set about undermining it with extra spending commitments with disproportionately lowlnet benefitr to the tax payer compared with costs, set about using immigration as a ponzi scheme for economic growth as if it came at zero cost to the economy, dismantled our gold reserves, and set about extending the benefits system such that no future government could undo his changes and was left with the liability. Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne didn't do anything to fix this and let tghe Brexit genis out of the bag.

So the budget statement yesterday was a bit more honest in some ways than what we have had over the last two and a half decades. Facing up to some hardh realities.

 

[JHS]

Not much wrong with the plan that has been put forward that I can see. 10.1% pay rise is not to be sniffed at together with cost of living help and energy cost support. As people earn more, they will pay more tax, but it was ever so. More funding for the NHS, Forces et al. is no bad thing. Cant argue against the tax threshold for high earners being lowered.
I have not seen any detailed plan from any of the opposition parties to address the recession, only carping and the usual "robbing the working man" rhetoric.
As for the media, what a load of rubbish they have come out with. Trotting out those that have become so used to benefits that they expect the system to pay their energy bills. Just listening to them makes me despair.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a Conservative.
One thing is sure, Truss and Kwarteng have no future as politicians. They make Boris look good!

 

[m80]

So the budget statement yesterday was a bit more honest in some ways than what we have had over the last two and a half decades. Facing up to some hardh realities.

Aye, the country has been living beyond its means for longer than I've been on the planet.

But so do most.
It's possibly the 3rd world countries that don't, as much.

No Gov't could balance the books.
But there are attempts to improve the balance deficit.

Don't repair roads.
Longer queues for NHS whatever.
Reduced local authority services.
Greater costs for local authority 'services', discreet increased taxation really.
Increased local authority taxation.
Now greater taxation by central Gov't.

It seems to grow, or even to not shrink, we must spend more than we have to maintain the economy.

Can that continue indefinitely?
Will there be a point at which it ends? Not a final reckoning hopefully.

A new world order beckons, but in what style?
"Please sir can I 'ave some more" is the increasing Twist to the tale.

 

[MrGreedy]

As I said before.
You’ve got 2 parties to choose from, a shit one and an even more shit one.

I'm never voting red or blue again. As a lifelong Conservative voter, the scandalous energy giveaway to the super rich, whist cutting spending and increasing taxes for middle earners literally makes me feel sick to my stomach.

In the UK, the bottom 50% of households use 10% of household energy. In other words, the £90Bn subsidies are going to the 50% who can probably most afford it.

THEN, there was some goon on Radio4 last night saying that in order to hit the 15% target reduction in household energy consumption, £275Bn will need to be spent on home energy improvements (£10k a house on average across 27.5mil homes).

But as above, 50% of the houses only use 10% of the energy. Even if they cut off their gas and electricity supply and lived off candles, it would only save 10 of the 15% 'required'.

The whole thing is monumentally ill-thought, none of the main stream media challenge it, and the public lap it up as a good thing because they get something from the Gov. The waste and unfairness of it is staggering.

To put into context the hard tax increases and spending cuts that have just been announced to pay for the 'black hole'.

Hang on, I have an idea how 90% of £90Bn could be saved. Don't give the energy discount to the top 50% of household energy consumers!