The UK Politics & Brexit Thread

[nick mercedes]

'fear'? or perhaps 'encourage'?

Riots won't help anything.

Does feel like the powers that be have lost control though.

 

[nick mercedes]

Since Nick suggests that this should only apply to foreign criminals, I don't see why we would need to recompense them

Too right.

Besides how could anyone work out who the actual owners are, web of offshore ltd companies prevent that.

Double bubble, much needed extra social housing and some tax cheat/thieves get stiffed.

What's not to like??

 

[Dryce]

It is therefore highly unlikely that any Council employee was complicit in such criminal activity, firstly on moral grounds but also simply because they have absolutely nothing to gain from it - it makes no sense at all.

The real world means that people have to work within budget, may be squeezed for time, may make mistakes, may just not understand, or may be corrupted.

My recollection from the days of mass council housing is that some work was done very well - and some was appallingly shoddy.

 

[markjay]

Too right.

Besides how could anyone work out who the actual owners are, web of offshore ltd companies prevent that.

Double bubble, much needed extra social housing and some tax cheat/thieves get stiffed.

What's not to like??

The lynching mob mentality?

 

[geraldrobins]

Too right.

Besides how could anyone work out who the actual owners are, web of offshore ltd companies prevent that.

Double bubble, much needed extra social housing and some tax cheat/thieves get stiffed.

What's not to like??

Proof of criminal activities and illegal tax evasion.
Wont the owners they be registered with the Land Registry and they have to pay council tax. there must be records.

 

[nick mercedes]

there must be records.

1 bearer shares that did not show the owners' names.

2 No capital gains tax. Offshore entities, provided they are genuinely controlled and managed outside the UK, do not pay any tax on the proceeds of property speculation, unlike resident Britons.

3 No inheritance tax. People living abroad, and "non-doms" who say they are only living in Britain temporarily, can legally avoid inheritance tax by buying a house in the name of an offshore entity. It is then considered to be a tax-free holding in a foreign company, not a British asset.

4 No stamp duty. Anyone, British or foreign, can legally avoid up to 5% stamp duty being imposed on the next purchaser by holding their house in an offshore company

 

[geraldrobins]

1 bearer shares that did not show the owners' names.

2 No capital gains tax. Offshore entities, provided they are genuinely controlled and managed outside the UK, do not pay any tax on the proceeds of property speculation, unlike resident Britons.

3 No inheritance tax. People living abroad, and "non-doms" who say they are only living in Britain temporarily, can legally avoid inheritance tax by buying a house in the name of an offshore entity. It is then considered to be a tax-free holding in a foreign company, not a British asset.

4 No stamp duty. Anyone, British or foreign, can legally avoid up to 5% stamp duty being imposed on the next purchaser by holding their house in an offshore company

No tax laws broken then.

 

[markjay]

1 bearer shares that did not show the owners' names.

2 No capital gains tax. Offshore entities, provided they are genuinely controlled and managed outside the UK, do not pay any tax on the proceeds of property speculation, unlike resident Britons.

3 No inheritance tax. People living abroad, and "non-doms" who say they are only living in Britain temporarily, can legally avoid inheritance tax by buying a house in the name of an offshore entity. It is then considered to be a tax-free holding in a foreign company, not a British asset.

4 No stamp duty. Anyone, British or foreign, can legally avoid up to 5% stamp duty being imposed on the next purchaser by holding their house in an offshore company

Oops.... you forgot something:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/annual-tax-on-enveloped-dwellings-the-basics

An honest omission I'm sure

 

[Druk]

The real world means that people have to work within budget, may be squeezed for time, may make mistakes, may just not understand, or may be corrupted.

We won't bring Edinburgh Planning Dept into this then?

 

[Scott_F]

Nonsense.

Of course they wont have seen them before..I've not. you've not...but in times of disaster it is not only expected I expect it's welcomed.

Imagine if they hadn't showed up...nor anyone else (which is what you'd want). Your argument is facile.

The public, me, demand to know and see what has/is happening.

Those residents are still failing to meet your expectations and are not exactly welcoming the PM:

Angry crowds shout 'coward' at Theresa May after she leaves Grenfell Tower relief centre | Metro News

It would appear that she learned nothing from the General Election campaign, remains reluctant to engage with the proletariat and her presence clearly angered the local people.

 

[Lennox]

The PMs Mensis horribilis:
Theresa May's 'mensis horribilis': A truly awful month for the Prime Minister
http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...y-awful-month-for-the-prime-minister-10918045


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[Druk]

Labour ward councillor for Kensington on the Beeb this morning said he recognised 'some' of the protest marchers from yesterday as being local to the fire but that most of them were political activists drafted in from outside.

Hmmmm.

 

[wemorgan]

Placards with 'no to Tory cuts' have little if anything to do with this fire. The building after all had just had millions spent on it. The whole event is desperately sad.

 

[markjay]

The PMs Mensis horribilis:
Theresa May's 'mensis horribilis': A truly awful month for the Prime Minister
Theresa May's 'mensis horribilis': A truly awful month for the Prime Minister

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I agree that May comes across as detached and dispassionate. Even Corbyn's failed attempt at a hi-5 looks more human.

Said that.... and to be fair to May, she was always going to get a hostile reception, there's no way around it.

The local tenants were mostly either migrants themselves or descendants of migrants, not exactly May supporters given her tough stance on immigration, benefits, and other social welfare issues. This is true for both voters as well as asylum seekers and other immigrants hoping to become British citizens.

Corbyn on the other hand, was 100% at home among what is one of his key supporter's groups.

Though ultimately, May is the PM of this country, and yes she should and could have managed the situation better.

 

[DSM10000]

The true nature of the ultra left wing is clearly being shown here in trying to hijack such a tragic event.

Pre-printed placards, many people brought in from outside the area to protest about austerity and diverting attention away from the people that need our care and support.

When may we expect Corbyn to condemn this rank and disgusting opportunistic behaviour?

 

[markjay]

Labour ward councillor for Kensington on the Beeb this morning said he recognised 'some' of the protest marchers from yesterday as being local to the fire but that most of them were political activists drafted in from outside.

Hmmmm.

Placards with 'no to Tory cuts' have little if anything to do with this fire. The building after all had just had millions spent on it. The whole event is desperately sad.

The true nature of the ultra left wing is clearly being shown here in trying to hijack such a tragic event.

Pre-printed placards, many people brought in from outside the area to protest about austerity and diverting attention away from the people that need our care and support.

When may we expect Corbyn to condemn this rank and disgusting opportunistic behaviour?

Yes....:

https://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/2479776-post214.html

I suspect this tragedy will be seized upon by other interested parties (not just political parties) trying to promote their own agendas through civil unrest.

 

[nick mercedes]

Yes....:

https://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/2479776-post214.html

I suspect this tragedy will be seized upon by other interested parties (not just political parties) trying to promote their own agendas through civil unrest.

You jest, you guys can pretend it's just the usual rent-a-mob suspects looking for an excuse for a demo, but this is the start of something massive.

It's the defining moment of when the nation demands an end to Theresa May's lame duck premiership, and end to the everyday graft and corruption than the wealthy have used to huge self benefit and and end to austerity.

 

[markjay]

You jest, you guys can pretend it's just the usual rent-a-mob suspects looking for an excuse for a demo, but this is the start of something massive.

It's the defining moment of when the nation demands an end to Theresa May's lame duck premiership, and end to the everyday graft and corruption than the wealthy have used to huge self benefit and and end to austerity.

You are not wrong, and this is precisely the point I was making.........

Theresa May has been in office only a few months, obviously she personally has nothing to do with the Glenfell Tower fire. And, the neglect and gardual decline of the tower blocks occurred under subsequent governments including 12 years of Labour rule.

And yet........ the usual agitators are seizing upon this tragedy and try to turn people's legitimate anger into a political anti-May protest.

Disgusting and deplorable, this is all I can say.

 

[Druk]

You jest, you guys can pretend it's just the usual rent-a-mob suspects looking for an excuse for a demo, but this is the start of something massive.

It's the defining moment of when the nation demands an end to Theresa May's lame duck premiership, and end to the everyday graft and corruption than the wealthy have used to huge self benefit and and end to austerity.

Nick, if you were offered £1million to change your mind from it's present processes would you accept or would you continue down the road to anarchy?

How about £10million?

Everyone's a prostitute; all that's up for discussion is the price.



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[grober]

Needless to say this sort of thing can give the wrong impression.
Government ministers 'congratulated themselves' for cutting fire regulations | Metro News