The US has ruined the internet

[stwat]

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So for big money, they will happily block certain sites, outside of the US !!! But they turn a blind eye at peado, violernt rape type sites etc. The sites they should really be blocking. What the f""k?

The internet is dead.

 

[Pittsey]

Yes. It's always been this way. A human life has less value than a pirated cd, film or TV show.

 

[grober]

Perhaps the secret to this is to take a leaf out of Dr WHO's book and do a little time travel. Today's must see "hyped up but likely to be a disappointment in reality" movie or TV series will be readily available on CBS action or Sky living or found in the DVD oddments basket at Morrisons for £ 3.99 in a couple of years time. This way you can let others pay to separate out the "wheat from the chaff" which the Hollywood machine churns out for our delectation.

 

[Dieselman]

Another ranting thread...what the f**k??

If you want to moan about something, the article is written in very poor Pigeon English.

I'm not sure what you would complain about Artists and Licence holders, not receiving their royalties when people are illegally sharing their works.
I take it you get paid for work you do, or do you prefer to work for free?

 

[Deleted member 65149]

Another ranting thread...what the f**k??

If you want to moan about something, the article is written in very poor Pigeon English.

I'm not sure what you would complain about Artists and Licence holders, not receiving their royalties when people are illegally sharing their works.
I take it you get paid for work you do, or do you prefer to work for free?

In one post you manage to moan about others moaning then introduce a new moan of your own. And this isn't the only recent moaning post you've moaned about! Are you trying to outmoan everyone else?

(I'm hoping that paragraph gets me into the Guinness Book of Records for the most use of "moan" within a short paragraph.)

 

[renault12ts]

In one post you manage to moan about others moaning then introduce a new moan of your own. And this isn't the only recent moaning post you've moaned about! Are you trying to outmoan everyone else?

(I'm hoping that paragraph gets me into the Guinness Book of Records for the most use of "moan" within a short paragraph.)

Yep...but he's right. Theft is theft.

 

[Pittsey]

Theft is a worse crime than paedophilia?

We sure have a lot of Tories here...!

 

[renault12ts]

Theft is a worse crime than paedophilia?

We sure have a lot of Tories here...!

I don't think so.

So, start a lobby group and get it banned from the net...

Why are artists not allowed to defend their property on the net because there is paedophilia? Isn't that a bit like asking a policeman why he is stopping you for speeding...go and catch the real criminals?

You're probably right about a lot of Tories on here...but what's your point?

We sure have a lot of men on here...see what I mean, a truism...but irrelevant.

 

[Pittsey]

I don't think so.

So, start a lobby group and get it banned from the net...

Why are artists not allowed to defend their property on the net because there is paedophilia? Isn't that a bit like asking a policeman why he is stopping you for speeding...go and catch the real criminals?

You're probably right about a lot of Tories on here...but what's your point?

We sure have a lot of men on here...see what I mean, a truism...but irrelevant.

Might be getting off topic a bit.... But...


A lobby group only works if backed by big money. As seen with the Piracy Vs Child Porn online example. The artists aren't the people pushing for the end of internet piracy. There are some cases where they are pro-piracy of their works. It is the big conglomerates as always. I am not in favour of internet piracy. I pay for all my music. I have 1000s of CDs and I am currently repurchasing a lot of works on Vinyl.

Did anyone say that there was something wrong with MUSIC LABELS (not artists) pursuing those who share their property? As far as I am aware it was just the difference between crimes which cost people money and crimes which don't...!

Also... I didn't think people would be proud to be Tories. It was an insult. I probably went too far. It really is the lowest of the low.

 

[lxi]

Yes. It's always been this way. A human life has less value than a pirated cd, film or TV show.

what nonsense.

there are plenty of sites pirating cd & film - all quite transparent. I've got no experience of the so called "dark" side of the internet, but I'm pretty sure these sort of sites are not ones you get to via google and they will be hidden deep.

My understanding is that both are being targeted

 

[renault12ts]

Might be getting off topic a bit.... But...


A lobby group only works if backed by big money. As seen with the Piracy Vs Child Porn online example. The artists aren't the people pushing for the end of internet piracy. There are some cases where they are pro-piracy of their works. It is the big conglomerates as always. I am not in favour of internet piracy. I pay for all my music. I have 1000s of CDs and I am currently repurchasing a lot of works on Vinyl.

Did anyone say that there was something wrong with MUSIC LABELS (not artists) pursuing those who share their property? As far as I am aware it was just the difference between crimes which cost people money and crimes which don't...!

Also... I didn't think people would be proud to be Tories. It was an insult. I probably went too far. It really is the lowest of the low.

So, why would you want to insult anyone? Has someone insulted you?

 

[grober]

The internet was always going to present a problem to government and big business precisely because they could not control the technology. This meant they could no longer control the flow of information to the world in general and thus manipulate people's thinking. It also meant a breakdown in the recognised rules of trade across national boundaries to an extent and any revenues or market rigging that might be achieved via these conventional normal channels. The downside of this of course was that the organised criminal elements saw an opportunity to flourish also whether through pornography hacking or simple obtaining money by deception.
The "powers that be" didn't like this anarchic situation of course and have been trying to catch up ever since, whether its through absolute control of the media as in China or the more subtle appeal in western democracies of " eliminating child pornography " or " issues of national security " or in this case " protecting the creative process" Where you stand in relation to this probably reflects where exactly you are on the anarchy scale. It may be that we will look back on this first period of the internet's existence with great nostalgia for the freedom it briefly conveyed.
How long before when you try to log on to MBCLUB UK you are presented with - Citizen---please go no further----- the site you are trying to contact contains unsuitable content bringing the name of Mercedes Benz into disrepute ---- why not instead log on to The Mercedes CarWashroom where you can watch semi naked women of good Aryan stock washing the latest Mercedes Models--- etc etc Remember its less to do with content than control

 

[mattc]

I am with Grober on this one-show me the money/power and that usually shows you the villain of the piece. The one trying to convince/cajole/demand/require you do what they want. Governments are paranoid about the Internet because of it's power to unleash their dirty little secrets and help people make up their own minds. control is all done for our good of course; not because there is a 'revenue stream' to be monetized or a medieval belief system to be upheld-heaven forfend we don't agree.

 

[Dryce]

I am with Grober on this one-show me the money/power and that usually shows you the villain of the piece. The one trying to convince/cajole/demand/require you do what they want. Governments are paranoid about the Internet because of it's power to unleash their dirty little secrets and help people make up their own minds. control is all done for our good of course; not because there is a 'revenue stream' to be monetized or a medieval belief system to be upheld-heaven forfend we don't agree.

I rather suspect that governments are actually more paranoid about the use of the net for darker aspects - whether it be in the interests of protecting children and vulbnerable people - or protecting the public from terrorist reasons.

But as most of us don't encounter the darker aspects then we have no idea of the problem, its extent, or the possible means of dealing with it.

OTOH dealing with copyright and stuff that is out there to be controlled and is visible is an entirely different matter.

And you don't need the internet to show that. We have the sordid little DVD region system lurking about to protect global market pricing while doing nothing to control dodgy material on DVDs - and that has nothing to do with the internet.

 

[stwat]

Another ranting thread...what the f**k??

If you want to moan about something, the article is written in very poor Pigeon English.

I'm not sure what you would complain about Artists and Licence holders, not receiving their royalties when people are illegally sharing their works.
I take it you get paid for work you do, or do you prefer to work for free?

You have my 'complaint' all wrong. I buy and pay for music all the time. I have no problem with paying artists and licence holders for their wares. As an aside, I notice you recently showed your thanks and enjoyment in the recent thread concerning the pirated, pre DVD rip of the Top Gear special. Hmm.

No, my gripe is with the US gonvernment bullying their way into becoming the global web Police force and what this means to the internet and freedom of choice as a whole.

The problem with the DMCA is that it's a blanket system that can be used by hostile entities on the internet as an entirely one sided weapon against anything they want with no screening. It's so generic and heavily abused that internet service and hosting providers and courts have no chance of ever screening all the DMCA disputes before okaying the blocks.

Whether it's the US government's or the highest paying bidders' pursuit for control that the DMCA represents I don't know. Some would argue that there's no difference.

But I'm not too worried about the DMCA because the internet is pretty good at replicating stuff. Take down a site and two will pop up to replace it.

I'm more worried about the actual control of the Internet the US has, by which I mean they built and own most of the infrastructure. So they can pass braindead legistlature like the DMCA and it will automatically mess with your tools just because the US operates it.

The spying is also terrible. It's a problem because there's no practical solution to it. And I suspect this problem exists because the generation of people making the laws does not understand the power of the technology they're dealing with. Not to mention the actions that the alphabet agencies have taken outside the confines of the law.

So, maybe think a little before you 'rant' a reply about, "Another ranting thread...what the f**k??"

 

[Dryce]

I'm more worried about the actual control of the Internet the US has, by which I mean they built and own most of the infrastructure. So they can pass braindead legistlature like the DMCA and it will automatically mess with your tools just because the US operates it.

Well there is (and was) nothing stopping other countries or groups from creating their own equivalent of the internet ...

The spying is also terrible. It's a problem because there's no practical solution to it. And I suspect this problem exists because the generation of people making the laws does not understand the power of the technology they're dealing with. Not to mention the actions that the alphabet agencies have taken outside the confines of the law.

Maybe the problem with spying is that a generation has grown up without threat. It changes peoples' sense of proportions.

We don't want to be snooped but we sure as hell moan when a bomb goes off and our security services appear to have been too far behind the bad guys to stop it.

What has changed in the last 20 years - particularly in the UK - is the level of respect the government has for its own people. There was a shift of tone in the late 90s where the people in government (both elected and unelected) seemed to take the view that they knew better than the rest of us. Basically the politicians nod and patronisingly listen - then go off and do what they were going to do anyway. It's not just a Westminster thing - the same applies to Holyrood as well.

 

[Dieselman]

I notice you recently showed your thanks and enjoyment in the recent thread concerning the pirated, pre DVD rip of the Top Gear special. Hmm.

Get real, it's freely viewable, but no downloadable. If you think TG aren't aware of it's existence, dream on.

More ranting. What the f**k...??

 

[cinek]

And why do we have to pay for internet?
All the bloody adds are doing my head in and why does google read my emails?

Finally, I would like to see more nuts in snickers bar!

 

[ivandraganov]

The Internet is more helpful than damaging,one have to ignore the bad stuff like me...

 

[lxi]

And why do we have to pay for internet?
All the bloody adds are doing my head in and why does google read my emails?

Finally, I would like to see more nuts in snickers bar!

The internet is free - ou are paying the telecomms (Sky, BT etc) company for connection to it