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To Change or Not to change....

Should I change an 03 E320cdi A/g Estate for an 09

  • Definately, No downside go for it!

    Votes: 6 31.6%
  • Yes but not that colour etc

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • Why Bother

    Votes: 11 57.9%

  • Total voters
    19

Chattonmill

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I have just seen a 2009 E320cdi Avantgarde Estate on a Mercedes dealers website for £30k with 5300 miles on the clock. It is in Carneol Red Metallic and Black leather interior.
I currently have a 2003 53 320cdi Avantgarde with Airmatic, I am just wondering whether it is worth the money to change?
I am thinking that a 2009 car will have 3 years warranty which would be nice, but is the facelift really that much better?
Would I miss the Airmatic?
I would hope there is some sort of deal to be done on the price as well!
I dont seem to be able to find a link, but it is on Mercedes Worcester.
All comments appreciated!
 
don't see the point ..

it would be very much the same car, in a different colour.

and cost more in depreciation.

no performance difference.

is Airmatic really that important?
 
I suspect even a discounted 2009 E320 will lose £10-15k depreciation over the next 3 years of ownership.

If you don't mind that and can afford it, then it looks like a good deal.

Does your 2003 E320 have any rust? It should have many more miles/years left in it.
 
Nope, no rust, 70k miles just a couple of minor niggles, need to change Transmission oil and filters and parktronic is playing up. apart from that perfect!
But if something were to go wrong.....the warranty is a tempter.
 
Nope, no rust, 70k miles just a couple of minor niggles, need to change Transmission oil and filters and parktronic is playing up. apart from that perfect!
But if something were to go wrong.....the warranty is a tempter.

How much would a 3rd party warranty cost......less than the depreciation of a newer car I suspect?
 
Nope, no rust, 70k miles just a couple of minor niggles, need to change Transmission oil and filters and parktronic is playing up. apart from that perfect!
But if something were to go wrong.....the warranty is a tempter.

You could buy an after-market warranty for a few hundred quid! Or just save the money in a seperate savings account 'just-in-case'....
 
The post facelift cars are reputedly more reliable and have deffo better paint (galvanised). Your car may be trade-able now but in a couple of years? Don't think the airmatic is important BUT many of the runout W211,s are "Sport"' models with the lowered suspension and 18inch alloys. If this is the case you will experience a difference in ride quality? Personally I prefer the cleaner lines of the W211 to the newest model.
 
I thought it was a 212 then I may have seen the point. Your car has the IMHO better I6 engine, the better 5spd box, the better SBC braking system and the arguably better airmatic system.

In these times I'd keep the motor you got, change it 3-4yrs later for a 212 wagon.
 
If I were a psychologist I would say you have already made a decision but its still buried deep in the dark recesses of the grey matter. What you are seeking is the correct combination of words from a forum member to help ease your decision out into the daylight.
I will offer a little help.................

GO FOR IT.
 
Personally I prefer the cleaner lines of the W211 to the newest model.
This is the main point, keep the same model and trade up to a 6 year newer car whilst times are turbulent.
I thought it was a 212 then I may have seen the point. Your car has the IMHO better I6 engine, the better 5spd box, the better SBC braking system and the arguably better airmatic system.

In these times I'd keep the motor you got, change it 3-4yrs later for a 212 wagon.
This is exactly what I was after, if the facelift is not better and the pre f/lift has a better engine and gearbox then I will stay as I am!
 
This is exactly what I was after, if the facelift is not better and the pre f/lift has a better engine and gearbox then I will stay as I am!

There are improvements on the facelifted car, but not worth 3x the cost of the car you are in. (Assuming £10k px and £30k purchase of the new car). Law of deminishing returns. And your engine, airmatic, gearbox are all better.

The V6 also uses more fuel, and the different between the two will be exacerbated by the fact yours is just nicely run in, and the V6 car will be still be tight.

Keep your motor, stick some cash in the bank/ISA and save up for a nice used 212 in 3 years time.
 
The facelift did make a lot more changes than usual. This is what the What Car report said: -

”Mercedes claims the updated E-Class due to go on sale this summer will be free of the reliability bugs that have affected the current model since launch in 2002.

The revised car has been put through the most intensive testing schedule Mercedes has ever undertaken with a single model.

It features 2000 new parts compared with the outgoing car, including five new or revised engines and improved safety aids (see separate stories).

Mercedes has also been working with component suppliers to ensure uniform quality standards at every company which provides parts for the E-Class.

Its target is to reduce warranty claims to a lower level than those at Toyota, a company renowned for outstanding reliability.

Electrical glitches are among the most common problems experienced by the current E-Class. Mercedes claims to have ironed these out by testing every component separately outside the car to ensure durability under all conditions.

The braking system has also been changed. The 2002 E-Class had a part-electronic mechanism that was the subject of a recall campaign, but this has been dropped. Mercedes says it can now get the same braking effectiveness by conventional means.

In all, 1000 pre-production versions of the new E-Class were tested for a total distance of nearly three million miles. This will now become the schedule for every new Mercedes.”


Galvanising began on some E's towards the end of 2002 and all E's from the beginning of 2003. You have to check your build date rather than just registration date.

The problem with changing is that so many of the dealer 'nearly-new' ones are from the last promotion which gave free upgrade to 'Sport'. To me this is quite the wrong concept for the estate. The 18 inch wheels and suspension even harder than Avantgarde, make for a pretty harsh ride on the UK's poorly maintained roads.

If you can find Avantgarde, rather than Sport, with the standard 17 inch wheels (or better still as I managed to do, find one with 16 inch wheels) and you won't notice too much differnce from your air suspension. But on bad roads the air suspension gives a fabulous ride and, of course, you have the choice of comfort or sport settings.

Recent examples have i-pod connectivity and Bluetooth. Quite a few nice improvements. Worth seeing, sitting in and pondering. But if it is the 'Sport' model, drive on some poor surfaces before you get tempted.
 
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It is the Avantgarde that I am looking at, I think Sport would be tiresome on the Northumbrian roads, which although Beautiful and empty are also minus a lot of tarmac!
 
BTW although the straight six is a fabulous engine (I had that in the S320cdi), and although the new V6 had some teething problems these have long been sorted. Worth having a test drive. It is the smoothest, quietest, most refined diesel you can imagine. Hard to believe it's a diesel. Difference in fuel economy is small.

The new 7 speed box had teething problems too but those have long since been ironed out with updates especially to the software. Drive one. See what you think. Most reviews have been pretty impressed with the new box. I like both. The 5 speed gives more of an obvious shove in the back when accelerating hard. The seven speed glides smoothly up through the speed range with less impression of speed but smooth as silk.
 
A late pre facelifted 211 is also devoid of problems although everyone admits the facelifted car is superior. Admittably the OPs car is a 2003 but its hardly a wreck. The V6 is fantastically quiet at idle but road tests still rate the BMW I6s ahead of the V6-not suprisingly as an I6 is a smoother engine design.

MB went for a V6 design as the old I6 wouldn't fit in the ML, C class, or van type cars, not because it was a better engine design. I'd say the V6 will be at least 10% worse on fuel too, given comments on this and the other forum. The 7spd box is a result of marketing, because MB wanted a box with more gears than the 6sp offerings from BMW and audi. Now with the later cars its supposedly working just a treat, but I loved the sledgehammer feel of the older engine with the older box (druk let me drive his and advised that I "boot it")

As for what car, their pick of the E class range is the 220cdi car which retains the 5spd box so perhaps the OP is better looking for one of those.
 
but I loved the sledgehammer feel of the older engine with the older box (druk let me drive his and advised that I "boot it")

As for what car, their pick of the E class range is the 220cdi car which retains the 5spd box so perhaps the OP is better looking for one of those.

I do love the feel of the 'shove' and for that reason I don't think I could stomach the 220, It is looking more and more likely that I will be staying put....unless the dealer comes up with something special on the money side!
 
be aware too that many 09 reg cars were built way back in early 08.

make sure you find out what the build date is.

build from about May 08 had the HDD COMAND (as opposed to DVD based) and the 6 CD changer integrated into the COMAND unit ..

tell tale sign is a little button on the left of the slot for inserting discs on the COMAND unit
 
Looks like there is a button there from the pictures, bit difficult to say, will compare with mine in a bit.
 
be aware too that many 09 reg cars were built way back in early 08.

make sure you find out what the build date is.

build from about May 08 had the HDD COMAND (as opposed to DVD based) and the 6 CD changer integrated into the COMAND unit ..

tell tale sign is a little button on the left of the slot for inserting discs on the COMAND unit

Also the phone buttons on the head unit are green/red on the HD comand systems.
 

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