trucks overtaking!!

[fred_raven]

Seen this several times and is very irritating! driving along a dual carriage way came up to 3 trucks , first one driving at 55mph, presumably limited but going uphill. second truck decides to overtake but also limited to 56mph and empty so is going faster but only just. Takes half mile to get past , as soon as he is past what is now the second and fully laden is now going downhill and immediately swings out to regain his first position. All this gains either of them is a few yards but more irritaingly several car drivers who would like to move on at a reasonable 65 - 70 mph but are held up for almost a mile by some very poor and selfish actions by these truckers. As i say have seen several similar instances and was wondering if this is some sort of truckers revenge or just a stupid way to wind up other drivers!

 

[rf065]

All this gains either of them is a few yards but more irritaingly several car drivers who would like to move on at a reasonable 65 - 70 mph but are held up for almost a mile by some very poor and selfish actions by these truckers.

Every time I see a major traffic hold up, not just motorways but city roads too, you can guarantee a bus, lorry or cyclist will be at the front of it.
Get them off the roads I say!

Russ

 

[umedc]

Every time I see a major traffic hold up, not just motorways but city roads too, you can guarantee a bus, lorry or cyclist will be at the front of it.
Get them off the roads I say!

Russ

and those middle lane hogers

 

[KillerHERTZ]

The A14 past Kettering has signs up everywhere saying HGVs cannot overtake between 8am - 7pm (I think) they never take any notice and you spend the hole 40 miles doing 45-50 Mph

 

[kikkthecat]

Try the M62, there is a long steep section coming up to Ripponden where it is 4 lanes.
Lane 1, Lorry doing 55 Mph
Lane 2, Lorry doing 55.5 Mph
Lane 3, Lorry doing 56 Mph.
Lane 4, Everything else trying to pass before it comes down to 3 lanes again.

Why should HGV's just be barred from the outside lane, why should they use lane 3 where there are 4 or even lane 4 where there are 5. And yes, I have seen them 4 abreast on the M25 with not much more than 1 Mph between the lot of them. Restrict them to the 2 inside lanes no matter how many lanes there are because right now, if were are 10 lanes, you'd soon find lorries in lane 9 going 0.013 Mph faster then the one in lane 8

And can someone show me where in the wagon drivers handbook it says that putting on indicators gives them instant and immediate right of way regardless of what is alongside or coming up behind?

 

[Carrotchomper]

And can someone show me where in the wagon drivers handbook it says that putting on indicators gives them instant and immediate right of way regardless of what is alongside or coming up behind?

I think it's not the handbook, rather the "40 tons" thing

 

[EDZ649]

Seen this several times and is very irritating! driving along a dual carriage way came up to 3 trucks , first one driving at 55mph, presumably limited but going uphill. second truck decides to overtake but also limited to 56mph and empty so is going faster but only just. Takes half mile to get past , as soon as he is past what is now the second and fully laden is now going downhill and immediately swings out to regain his first position. All this gains either of them is a few yards but more irritaingly several car drivers who would like to move on at a reasonable 65 - 70 mph but are held up for almost a mile by some very poor and selfish actions by these truckers. As i say have seen several similar instances and was wondering if this is some sort of truckers revenge or just a stupid way to wind up other drivers!

And when the truck overtaking finally moves back in the duel carriage way finishes and you have to tuck in behind it again!

 

[ackee911]

And can someone show me where in the wagon drivers handbook it says that putting on indicators gives them instant and immediate right of way regardless of what is alongside or coming up behind?

I find this is not just restricted to trucks. Everytime I'm on the motorway its like, indicate right-move over regardless of whether the other person has GIVEN way.

Further to this, whenever you try to leave enough space between you and the car in front, some silly **** tucks him/herself into the gap (from the left hand lane) and you have to pull further back!
Then, because you want to get to where you're going, you start shorterning the distance and find yourself driving dangerously close to the car in front (who in turn things you're tailgating and presses hi/her brakes) and so on........

 

[Dieselman]

I think it's not the handbook, rather the "40 tons" thing

And you allow that to intimidate you..??

Lightweight...

 

[crockers]

Strange that "safety cameras" can't enforce "safety".....but traffic police can...if one ever sees one...

 

[flango]

I have to agree with this I have been petitioning the Highways agency for years to restrict HGV to the inside lane only on 2 lane motorways or DCW, there are sectionsof the A1 and A42 where this is being tried and it makes a massive difference to traffic flow, time they rolled it out accross the UK.

I have to say as someone that has a HGV Class 1 license ( Mainly for driving race car transporters) the irresponsible and arrogant actions of some truckers give the majority of the good guys a serious bad name. There are a lot of true professionals out there who really are considerate and have good road manners, but unfortunately there are more cowboys than professionals.

Time something was done though I admit!

 

[yachtman]

Seen this several times and is very irritating! driving along a dual carriage way came up to 3 trucks , first one driving at 55mph, presumably limited but going uphill. second truck decides to overtake but also limited to 56mph and empty so is going faster but only just. Takes half mile to get past , as soon as he is past what is now the second and fully laden is now going downhill and immediately swings out to regain his first position. All this gains either of them is a few yards but more irritaingly several car drivers who would like to move on at a reasonable 65 - 70 mph but are held up for almost a mile by some very poor and selfish actions by these truckers. As i say have seen several similar instances and was wondering if this is some sort of truckers revenge or just a stupid way to wind up other drivers!

it is all to do with drivers hours, and the extreme tight scheduling done today. believe it or not you cant afford to go that bit slower other wise you dont get back to the depot within the permitted driving hours.

if you want a good read google GV262 for the 50 page plus for some of the rules!!!

 

[flango]

it is all to do with drivers hours, and the extreme tight scheduling done today. believe it or not you cant afford to go that bit slower other wise you dont get back to the depot within the permitted driving hours.

if you want a good read google GV262 for the 50 page plus for some of the rules!!!

I agree time pressure is a factor, but if you are out of hours and don't get back to the depot normal practice is for a colleague to come out to you in a car and swap so he takes the wagon back to the depot, this is not an excuse for clogging up our road system bydoing 0.5 mph faster trying to get back in time

 

[Dryce]

it is all to do with drivers hours, a

The actual speed gains from these sorts of obstructive manoeuvres on long motorway stretches is likely to be of the order of minutes per working day.

So it's presumably all to do with driver minutes.

 

[Dieselman]

The actual speed gains from these sorts of obstructive manoeuvres on long motorway stretches is likely to be of the order of minutes per working day.

So it's presumably all to do with driver minutes.

At an increased speed of 0.5mph that would give a whopping 4 miles over a drive time of 8 hours...

A driver going 55.5 mph saves a whole 0.6 seconds over a given mile...cruicial...

Errm....how does the driver of a lorry going 0.5mph slower make it back to the depot on time...??

 

[Dryce]

There are a lot of true professionals out there who really are considerate and have good road manners, but unfortunately there are more cowboys than professionals.

I think most are OK. But it only takes a few bad 'uns to have a disproportionate impact.

Time something was done though I admit!

I think that HMG should think about covering specific freight routes with scheduled fast drive/drive-off trains to take trucks.

OK, so the railway gauge issues would have to be dealt with. If it was done with electric trains there should be fuel savings.

I'd put in dedicated roads to the depot/terminals that these connected.

The trunk road routes that had these substitute services would be restricted and or tolled for HGVs running these routes.

I'm fairly convinced that one of the reasons our roads and motorways are in such poor condition is due to the increase in HGV weight limits over the last 25 years and the consequential damage.

 

[rf065]

Some people want all cars to have speed restrictors fitted, then we can all drive like truckers too! That will make m/ways fun!

Russ

 

[timskemp]

Some people want all cars to have speed restrictors fitted, then we can all drive like truckers too! That will make m/ways fun!

Russ

If that ever happens it'll be a good day for the remapping / ECU hacking businesses. I'm sure mine would be getting an "economy" remap at purchase if fitted with a limiter... in fact the only car I've had with a limiter (the volvo) had it removed quite sharpish (although that of course didn't affect my motorway driving here in the uk...)

 

[yachtman]

If that ever happens it'll be a good day for the remapping / ECU hacking businesses. I'm sure mine would be getting an "economy" remap at purchase if fitted with a limiter... in fact the only car I've had with a limiter (the volvo) had it removed quite sharpish (although that of course didn't affect my motorway driving here in the uk...)

I am certain if limiters for cars is brought in , it will be the same as trucks,tampering is a serious offence, ie v. hefty fines and or prison.


dont forget under the present law it is permitted to travel at 60 mph witha hgv + trailer. Many firms are dishing out diciplinary notices to employees for speeding as the " new" digital tacho logs speeding as exceeding the limiter (56) for longer than a minuite. so imagine travel downthe m5 near the grangemouth bridge, let speed creep up to 58for over a min & next week a DP letter! So who wants those when dp is a criteria at redundancy!

 

[jimti]

I think that HMG should think about covering specific freight routes with scheduled fast drive/drive-off trains to take trucks.

OK, so the railway gauge issues would have to be dealt with. If it was done with electric trains there should be fuel savings.

the problem with freight on rails is the system cannot cope with the increased traffic as it is over stretched already and the infrastructure is not good enough for the extra weight of freight. It is also very expensive.
new rail carrages are nearly always transported by road because it is far cheaper than by rail

I'd put in dedicated roads to the depot/terminals that these connected.

The trunk road routes that had these substitute services would be restricted and or tolled for HGVs running these routes.

I thought the origional idea of motorways was as trunk routes for freight
The M6 is a good example of this idea not working in the UK, half empty all the time as they priced the tucks off it. The main thing is any extra costs have to be met, but the hauliers cannot run at a profit even now

I'm fairly convinced that one of the reasons our roads and motorways are in such poor condition is due to the increase in HGV weight limits over the last 25 years and the consequential damage.

This is due to the increased volume of goods overall rather than vehicle weight. Although trucks now run at up to 44 tonnes (on 6 axles) the maximum weight on any one axle is still only a maximum of 11 tonnes and that has to be on road friendly suspension (air) an axle of 10 tonnes on steal springs would cause far more damage, these are quite rare now but were common in the 60's and 70's

I would never sit at 89kph while a truck was passing me at 90kph, I would ease off and let them pass, I cherish my safety zone and being boxed in by another truck is just courting trouble if anyting was to happen like a blow out.