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Verdict due in Mercedes tyre case
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By Andrew Benson

Chief F1 writer


A verdict is expected on Friday into whether Mercedes and Pirelli broke Formula 1's rules with an unauthorised tyre test.

A hearing took place on Thursday at the FIA's headquarters in Paris.

The governing body's international tribunal was told Mercedes did not get permission to take part in the three-day 1,000km tyre test last month.

But Mercedes said they could not have broken the rules because Pirelli conducted the test.

A wide range of penalties are open to the tribunal, from exclusion from the championship, through race bans to fines. They could also choose to acquit either or both parties.

A guilty verdict for Mercedes or Pirelli could have far-reaching consequences.

Pirelli is considering suing F1's governing body the FIA if the company is hit with a heavy penalty.

And Mercedes may feel it would have to consider its F1 future if the company's integrity is impugned in any way.

FIA counsel Mark Howard said Mercedes did ask in general terms about using a 2013 car at the test.

But he said any permission given was conditional on the other teams being informed, which they were not.

Howard said: "There was no attempt whatsoever by Mercedes to involve the other teams in order to ensure that no perception of an advantage was obtained."

But Mercedes' counsel Paul Harris said Mercedes could not have broken the rules because they did not conduct the test.

He added: "The Pirelli test was not a test undertaken by Mercedes. It is irrefutable it is a test undertaken by Pirelli."

Pirelli's counsel Dominique Dumas argued that as a supplier the company was not subject to the FIA's authority or jurisdiction.

The FIA said the evidence would be re-read on Thursday before the publishing of the verdict on Friday.

The tribunal heard that Mercedes sporting director Ron Meadows spoke to FIA race director Charlie Whiting on 2 May to ask whether testing with a 2013 car was permissible. Team principal Ross Brawn then made a similar enquiry in a telephone call later that day.

Howard, for the FIA, said: "Whiting was asked a general and non-specific question - the general question on the permissibility of using a 2013 car.

"His preliminary response was that such a test would comply with article 22 [of the sporting regulations] providing the purpose was for Pirelli to test its tyre and he would check."

Whiting's advice from the FIA legal department was that it could be possible to allow a team to use a 2013 car to test, but it would be subject to Pirelli inviting all the other teams to test and to demonstrate it had done so. This did not happen.

Howard said Whiting told Brawn about the FIA's legal position but added that it was not binding.

Howard added: "What is very odd about all of this is that, on the basis of the telephone calls, both Mercedes and Pirelli went ahead without getting back to Mr Whiting and making clear precisely ultimately what they were intending to do."

He added: "Without the knowledge, consent and participation of other competitors, Mercedes and Pirelli may have engaged in activity that was prejudicial to the competition."

Howard also said that Mercedes could not prove their claims they did not gain an advantage from the test.

Brawn insisted that while it was "inevitable" Mercedes would have gained some knowledge from the test it would not have been a competitive advantage because they did not know what tyres they were testing.

"We didn't know what the tyres were; we didn't know what the detail objectives were of what Pirelli were doing," he said.

Mercedes argued that if their test was illegal so was one done a few weeks previously by Ferrari with a 2011 car.

Harris, for Mercedes, said: "We argue their [Ferrari] car followed substantially with the regulations...

"There was only half [a second] difference between the 2011 cars and 2013 [Ferrari] cars, showing the changes between 2011 and 2013 are minuscule in terms of performance."

Mercedes said it regretted - and apologised for - the decision to have race drivers Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg wear plain black helmets at the test.

"We had our reasons," said Harris. "It was about the lack of bodyguard and security personnel. We do acknowledge that this part of the test aroused suspicions and it is regrettable."

Pirelli cited the case against former Renault team boss Flavio Briatore - whose FIA ban from motorsport for fixing the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix was overturned by the French courts - as evidence that as a supplier/third party they cannot be subject to the regulations.

Harris later added: "We acted in good faith. If there is to be any sanction it has to be a minor one taking that into consideration."‬

The FIA said in response that Pirelli's contract with the governing body made it clear it was bound by the F1 regulations.

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If the verdict reflect badly on the Mercedes marque its expected someone at Mercedes will have to " fall on their sword"--- not the drivers obviously.

That'll be Ross Brawn then. And fair enough as, with all his experience, they shouldn't have got themselves in this mess.
 
That'll be Ross Brawn then. And fair enough as, with all his experience, they shouldn't have got themselves in this mess.

The entire thing borders on farce and a cavalier glance at the rule book. Down to a school boy attempt at disguising their drivers in black helmets whilst claiming that they were/are innocent victims. Now trying to play the sympathy card by saying they should be applauded for trying to help with safety issues.

Once again we see the sport being brought down by this type of gamesmanship that takes the reading of rules down to individual interpretation as opposed to any kind of spirit.

It's heartening to see Red Bull acting with such moral indignation.
 
Jonathan Noble said:
Mercedes has been banned from taking part in this year's young driver test, and given a reprimand, for using a 2013 car during Pirelli testing. Following a seven-hour hearing at the FIA's headquarters in Paris on Thursday relating to the matter, the International Tribunal panel announced its verdict at lunchtime on Friday.

It said that Mercedes was guilty of a breach of the regulations and would be reprimanded, and suspended from taking part in the young driver test at Silverstone.

Pirelli was also reprimanded.

The Tribunal panel of Edwin Glasgow, Christy Harris, Patrick Raedersdorf and Anthony Scott Andrews heard arguments that Mercedes and Pirelli had brought the sport into disrepute.

During closing speeches at the hearing in Paris, Mercedes' legal representative Paul Harris had suggested that if the team was found guilty, then a reprimand and ban from the young driver test would be appropriate.
He said: "[The young driver test] is a three-day test, and it is a car test over which teams have full control and teams know everything about the tyres and cars.

"If we are in this territory then it is open to the International Tribunal to impose exclusions from events that are under FIA jurisdiction, and the young driver test is that."

The costs of the Tribunal case will be split between Mercedes, Pirelli and the FIA.

This year's young driver test takes place on July 17-19. Mercedes reserves Sam Bird and Daniel Juncadella were likely to have run.

Well, that won't please RBR/Horner. Can't help but think the leniency is due to the fact MB would probably have pulled the plug on its F1 team.
 
Yet another F1 farce.

Should be sorted a lot quicker.

maybe all the teams should chip in and supply a car to Pirelli and let them get on with it themselves.
 
The FIA should produce a 'standard model' car that conforms to the next set of regulations which can be used for tyre tests.

Tyre tests should also be carried out at private circuits and by hired drivers - not current ones.
 
The FIA should produce a 'standard model' car that conforms to the next set of regulations which can be used for tyre tests.

Tyre tests should also be carried out at private circuits and by hired drivers - not current ones.

Sort out the tyres at the end of the preceding season and then fix on the compounds for the next year and that's it. No changes. No need for more testing.

Apart from that in-season testing by teams shouldn't have been stopped. If it was to be regulated they should have organised several in-season test venues so that the wealthy teams didn't get to test separately.

My view is that there is too much money in F1 for its own good. So much so that they've lost sight of some aspects of reality.

We see rich teams appear to make simple obvious strategy blunders too often.

We see bits come off complex front wings and the cars don't seem to slow down.

We see very few engine failures but we see wheel gun failures.

If it were down to me I'd up the minimum weight of the cars, change to low profile tyres, ditch KERS, try and force simpler aero, and restrict the teams to six mechanics in the pit (2 pairs to change two wheels at a time, a jackman, and a lollipop man).
 
I'd open the doors to 'anything goes'.

F1 should be the pinnacle of motorsport. The fastest, most aggressive, most attractive form of motorsport on the planet. After all, it should be the 'Grand Prix'

The only considerations should be weight and overall dimensions.

If teams want to run 20000hp engines that suck fuel like a cheap hooker then let them. Their pit stops and tyre wear might handicap them.

If teams want to run diesel engines then let them, they might win on a tortoise vs. hare basis.

Ditch the blue flag automatic passing flags. Teams can stick out a slow moving mobile chicane if they want to. They'll scupper their chance of winning the constructor's trophy but that would be their choice.

In short, lets have a simple set of guidelines and let innovation determine the competition.

At least, it would make for great viewing ...
 
dryce..isint the cart series run on a similar basis?...maybe 10 or 15 cars that are capable of winning?30 on a grid?.. i stopped watching the moto gp bikes as there were only a few bikes on the track....the cost is the issue...same with f1...too much money!!!
 
I'd open the doors to 'anything goes'.

F1 should be the pinnacle of motorsport. The fastest, most aggressive, most attractive form of motorsport on the planet. After all, it should be the 'Grand Prix'

The only considerations should be weight and overall dimensions.

If teams want to run 20000hp engines that suck fuel like a cheap hooker then let them. Their pit stops and tyre wear might handicap them.

If teams want to run diesel engines then let them, they might win on a tortoise vs. hare basis.

Ditch the blue flag automatic passing flags. Teams can stick out a slow moving mobile chicane if they want to. They'll scupper their chance of winning the constructor's trophy but that would be their choice.

In short, lets have a simple set of guidelines and let innovation determine the competition.

At least, it would make for great viewing ...

I agree with your sentiments but how it would work in reality I don't know. Generally speaking I'd say, the less rules the better.

Anyway, it's all just a big game (circus) as many involved would call it, so it's tyre testing issue this month and it will be something else next month. Good for headlines, good for journalists, good for the 'sport' etc, etc.
 
dryce..isint the cart series run on a similar basis?...maybe 10 or 15 cars that are capable of winning?30 on a grid?.. i stopped watching the moto gp bikes as there were only a few bikes on the track....the cost is the issue...same with f1...too much money!!!

I used to follow Indycar.

I don't like ovals. And I don't like races that don't include actual racing in the wet. But it had its moments.

But I don't see why F1 has to have those strange balloon tyres or why the weight limit is so low that they spend disproportionately stupid amounts of money on lightweight components and construction.

There is a point beyond which the spending gets no benefit.

I think the front wings show this. They mess with the designs. And bits get broken and cause punctures. And yet when a car loses some of those little vanes it often doesn't appear to go much slower. What a waste of effort.

It also seems that the people involved in F1 are part of a fairly closed ecosystem. That maybe sets up a long term culture to money and design where some tings that should be questioned are not. There is a high barrier to new entrants.

It's a more often than not a dull formula when it comes to spectacle.

The tyres sort of spiced things up for a while. But that was an artificial and slap dash solution IMO. They might as well have periodically stopped the race at random and rolled a die to see if each driver should be bumped back or forward a position and then restart again.
 
They might as well have periodically stopped the race at random and rolled a die to see if each driver should be bumped back or forward a position and then restart again.

You joke, but they effectively do that in the BTCC.
 
F1 is a "procession" and definitely not a race. Makes for real boring watching, Yawn!
 

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