W124 timeline - please check for accuracy

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  1. bolide

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    I've been working on a graphical W124 estate timeline. I'll enlarge it to cover coupes, saloons and cabriolets at some point in the future

    I'm looking for comments and for an accuracy check:

    http://www.w124.co.uk/timeline.html


    When complete & accurate the timeline will move from this temporary timeline URL back to the model range page:

    http://www.w124.co.uk/modelrange.html

    Thanks!

    Nick Froome
    www.w124.co.uk
     
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    Not sure about the e36t, as far as Im aware the e36 was available from a 94M.
     
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    wasnt there also a multivalve E250 diesel (1993 - onwards?) aswell as the E300 diesel? I've seen saloons advertised but maybe they didnt do it as estates at that age???
     
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    Very nice and simple explanation.

    Should you not also include the 4 cylinder engine codes?
     
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    You've left out the half-facelift M111 engined 200TE, and full facelift E200. Also the half-facelift M104 280TE.
     
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    That's true. I was grouping the 4-cylinder cars together but I'll split them up

    Any idea when the 200T (carb) died in the UK?

    I've never seen one but I am fairly sure there will be one somewhere. I'll put it in

    OK - I'll change that. I have no idea on AMG dates

    There were 250 saloons but I've never seen a 250 estate

    I plan to include the engine codes and maybe change the way they're displayed to make them easier to read

    I'll make some amendments now and call it Rev.2

    The things I am unclear on are:
    * date the 200T (carb) ceased (would have been for emissions reasons, I think)
    * whether there was a 16-valve 200TE for a year (I assume there was)
    * date 300-24 valve was introduced & ceased
    * was the 300-24 engine still an M103? Or did it have a different number?
    * date 300 4-Matic was introduced & ceased
    * dates for AMG cars

    Nick Froome
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    Yeah good idea, there are a few different ones I'm sure, There isn't a lot of infomation about the Carlsson ones though I have done quite a bit of research too.
     
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    Hi

    601 engine?? was there a 200TD?????
    250TD was 602 and the 300TD was 603

    But sure you knew that anyhow:rolleyes: :D

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    The 200T ceased production in 1990.

    the 300-24 valve was intro'd in 89 like the saloons and stopped with the intro of the new twincam 6 sixes.

    the 24 valve 3litre engine was designated m104 AFAIK

    the effective run of the 4-matic was 87-92 afaik

    can't help on the amg's sorry

    there were also a
    200TD I4 CYLINDER DIESEL 85-91 but maybe not in the UK??

    There was also a 250TD turbo 90--?
    and 300TD turbo 87----? IN THE STATES

    assuming just the 5 and 6 cylinder diesels for the UK the engine nos would be

    OM602/603 pre change to 4 valve head and OM 605/606 after--- the 250 did continue to the end post 4 valve introduction but not as an estate?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W124#Models can't vouch for the accuracy on the wiki?
     
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    You're right. The 601 was the US-spec engine, IIRC. The E250 had a 605 engine, logically enough, as it had 5 cylinders

    The 200TD didn't come to the UK but they sold them in Europe. I am going to stick to UK-only models as it makes sense for me and my customers

    Thanks for the 300-24 & 4-Matic dates

    So easy to make mistakes with this info. Thanks for the corrections!

    Nick Froome
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    Is business a bit quiet at the moment Nick?

    Good stuff though.
     
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    There was indeed. Most on L-plates, some on K-plates. The one I had was built in Aug 1993, and other w124's supplied by the same dealer at the same time, with reg numbers in the same batch as mine, were full facelift E200Ts.

    *anorak on*
    For the Italian market, there was a 2-litre M111 16-valve coupe, to bring it under a tax bracket at the time.
    *anorak off*
     
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    All the 24 valve engines were M104 variants.
     
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    I think you're right - I know of a 1991 3.4 AMG and the engine number starts 104. So the 104 engine truly was developed in the 300-24 - it wasn't a 103-based stopgap but the first of the 104s

    Nick Froome
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    Were there really multivalve diesels in 1993? I thought my L reg, registered April 1994, was an early one.
    I thought the 92/93 date for the 300TE-24/320TE swap was wrong as I have previously owned a K reg (registered Sept 1992) 300TE-24 and my current 320TE was registered in January 1993 but I've just checked the Russian site and the years given there are 1991 for the K reg 300TE-24 and 1992 for the K reg 320TE so this seems correct for model years.
    The 5-speed auto option date keeps coming back- I also have a 300TE-24 with 5-speed auto registered 1st Jan 1991 (H plate), model year 1990...there were contemporary magazine roadtests of G-reg CE's with the 5-speed option.

    Hope this helps

    Dave
     
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    I have to agree the 5speed auto was available as an option on the 300-24v model from 1989 afaik coincided with its introduction in the new W129 SL sports car. Sorry I didn't spot this earlier was concentrating on the engines.:eek:

    As far as your valid comments about the multivalve diesels its always difficult to "date" an engine. Mercedes traditionally "introduce" their new models/engine lines at the autumn Frankfurt show . The multivalve diesels were "introduced" at the 1993 show but possibly only "hit the dealers in any numbers in 1994. Add the complication of availability in
    1. RHD for the UK market.
    2. In the estate car version
    and its very tricky to pin down.
     
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    I owned a 1993 L-reg E300 Diesel so I can put that one to rest

    I'll change the start date for the 5-speed back to 1989. I remember reading that the 5-speed appeared in price lists in 1991 but that doesn't mean it couldn't be ordered before then. If the 300-24 engine & 5-speed box was used in the R129 SL from 1989 (and maybe it was used there before the W124) then it would be a reasonable assumption it'd be available in the W124 at the same time

    Because the build dates, registration dates and registration letters move relative to each other I think it'll be impossible to be 100% accurate. What the diagram does show quite nicely is the changeover to multivalve engines vs the date of the Facelift. It also shows how few Facelift car production years there were relative to the earlier cars. I don't have production numbers by year but there must be a lot of pre-facelift cars out there

    V3
    http://www.w124.co.uk/timeline.html

    Nick Froome
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