w124 window regulator

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  1. SilverSaloon

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    Hi

    i need a new regulator (i think) - the window moves up and down but at the last inch or so of closing, it makes a horrible clicking sound and doesnt go any higher - causing a small gap at the top of the window.

    i seem to remmeber this being the teeth on the mechanism broken off??

    so, i think i need a new regulator....

    seen 2nd hand ones on ebay but also new ones. This one is from Taiwan - any experiences from this seller or the quality? seems cheap vs the 2nd hand MB ones:

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MERCEDES-W124...14&_trkparms=72:1301|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318


    also, any idea if these will fit my existing motor correctly? i know some pattern parts need modding to fit but no idea if internal mechansims are the same....?

    anyone know of a how to for fitting these aswell???? i had the door card off at the weekend and i suspect i can "wing it" but it would be good to have something as a reference.

    thanks!

    Derek
     
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  2. Will

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    Hi Derek,

    Snap! This exact fault seems to have just happened to my N/S/F window on the 124 estate. Goes up and down fine but needs assistance for the first inch or so, and makes the clicking sound as you say.

    If I come accross an O/S mechanism I'll let you know, and vice-versa? :)

    It might take a while until I have time to do it, but if you get a chance to take some pics then I'd be grateful for a bit of a how-to - often makes for a smoother job! ;)

    Cheers,

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    SilverSaloon

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    Hi. There are several on ebay for passenger side 2nd hand but the Taiwan one is cheap and also new. Unless anyone mentions otherwise, i'll be getting the taiwan regulator as above (he has several in stock) but probably wont be able to fit it until the week before xmas (as i'm not off work until then). I'll do a how to with photos then if i cant find another how to anywhere for this.

    i have a regular 2nd hand supplier that i've asked for a price from so will see what comes back from him aswell but i guess its just a bit of metal at the end of the day so the Taiwan one may be fine....
     
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    I had a few compatibility issues with pattern parts in that I couldn't get a pattern window motor, nor one from a breakers to coordinate with the MB regulator/door in my CE - the bolts holes on one lined up but the depths were different and the pattern part was no where near.. The MB part fit straight away.

    Don't think that was a typical experience..

    Let us know how you get on.

    Ade
     
  5. Smiley

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    My hunch is that you will be disappointed in the Taiwan item when it arrives and you put it side by side with the original part. My bet is it will be flimsy and wont fit properly but that is a guess rather than experience. It will cost you £33 and no chance of a refund. I would buy the s/h part personally.

    A "how to" would be really good as I know this is a common fault and I am just waiting for one of mine to go the same way!

    Why do the teeth break off and is there a prevention - is it rust that causes it?
     
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    SilverSaloon

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    i assume its the teeth broken off as i remember reading a thread where someone had welded new teeth back on.... didnt take much notice though as i didnt have this problem at the time!!

    mine doesnt look rusty at all - i presume its down to the pressure it is under when the window stops - it still tries to wind it if you hold the button down until it detects the pressure i assume....

    i may give the Taiwan one a go if i cant find a 2nd hand one for around the £40 mark.... it may be fine.... If it doesnt look as good but does work i may swap around with the one in my 124 saloon.
     
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    SilverSaloon

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    i've emailed the seller - they have replied saying that they have sold thousands of these and it should fit the original MB motor.

    they also say they refund if it doesnt fit, although this would mean a lot of hassle.

    my main concern with a 2nd hand item is that in 3 months time, the same could happen again and they are very expensive 2nd hand.

    i've ordered one - i'll report back on what its like and do a "how to". hopefully will get to fit sooner than later as its a hassle not having the window and i get some wind noise at motorway speeds.
     
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    Derek. I might have a reg in the stock but with the top teeth broken. You could graft on a section from the best of the rest if you're up for that.;)
     
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    thanks Derek - but i've just done the deal on the Taiwan part :eek: :eek:
     
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    having done 3 in 6 months i can say that patent ebay parts are no damn use at all and dont fit and are utter crap

    they are £100 each from mercedes and are a doddle to fit once you have done 1

    we did 3 in 1 day (might have been 2 in 1 daya nd 1 the next)

    the first took about 2 hours

    the next took an hour and the last 45 mins

    even though both cars were 1994 e320 coupes they were different

    some had riveted bits, some had holes where the old motors screw/rivit in, some hole did not exist

    it was a nightmare

    if you got the 3 old and 3 new and took photos of them of the 6 only 2 or 3 would have been identical

    you would have thought they would all 6 be the same

    might ad that my mate is the contries neigh the worlds best window fitter and that made the job easier
     
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    oh dear. I've already paid :(
     
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    i bought one off ebay and it was for the 4 door version and when i went and bought the one from mercedes they were so different in not only build quality but the halo of satisfaction you get with original mercedes parts

    you wont be overly happy

    infact id rathetr have a 2nd hand one than a replica

    good luck though (think you might need it)
     
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    See if you can cancel the transaction quick?
     
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    Hi

    I had the exact problem 2 weekends ago, removed door card and mechanism removed motor from mechanism give it a bit of a wire brush and built up some weld with the mig welder and then ground out the teeth by eye with a 4" grinder (think it was 4 grooves) popped it back on and it was fine. Not much more than an hour start to finish, a real feel good aren't i just brilliant kind of job. Dreading the call from the wife to say it is broken again.

    I did consider taking pics but sorry didnt.

    230K
     
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    i got one new last year from dronsfield on ebay for £35 as i had the same fault on my 124 saloon
     
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    After some research today Febi are in the process of making these items. They are in the final test stage. The cost is expected to be £33.50 each +vat. ECP also do them at £48 +vat. I have used an ECP one in the past and struggled a little, it may have been me though. I have also used an original Mercedes one and found that fitting was easier, build quality was marginally better and all the holes were where they should have been, but at a price though :crazy:. What would I use? Good question. I will wait and see what the Febi one is like before committing myself
     
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    ECP quoted me £45 odd the other day for one for the coupe and they said it included the motor.

    Bloody cheap if it does as a replacement motor on its own is £80.

    In fact I thought it was so cheap there had to be a catch and walked away.
     
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    £80 sounds cheap..

    I paid £188 inc vat for an MB motor, after 2 attempts at 2nd hand and one pattern :eek:

    Ade
     
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    oh dear its not looking hopeful to me :(

    too late to cancel the transaction - i've paid via paypal.

    I'm happy to give it a try anyway and report back. If is a load of rubbish then a lessen learnt, but if not atleast i should be able to confirm a cheap supplier. It cant be much worse than a ECP part and from looking at his feedback for window regulators appears fine: (he has 100% pos feedback - no negatives since January this year - all sales appear to be Merc regulators for different models.

    Immediate despatch. Perfect item arrived in two working days (4 calendar days)

    EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED, GOOD QUALITY ITEM, AND SENT VERY VERY QUICKLY, WELL DONE

    As described, and it fitted, many thanks

    seems as strong as original - works great , from taiwan in 4 days!! AAAA++
     
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    Mine was a genuine part @ £80 from German and Swedish, still in the mercedes box with the hologram.
     

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