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W203 Bushes, ball joint, tracking rods at 55k

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Bit of advice needed on a W203 I'm looking at.

Previous owner had some work done on replacement bushes, ball joint and rear (? )tracking rods. He had it done at a local garage not the stealers.

Firstly, is this kind of thing normal on a W203 at that sort of low mileage.

Secondly, is it a major job ? Or one of those that is ok to be entrusted to a competent garage ?

Thanks
 
yes its normal and yes if they are competent. On w202s they go almost exactly at 60,000 miles in my experience! My w203 has 46k on it and I had mine a bit prematurely recently.
 
Ok great. I take it that's it's not considered as a major job then ? As in pretty normal for the car ?
 
Suspension components may appear to wear before many other makes of the same mileage.

This is allowed for in the price of the parts with the cost of the swivels and drop links being some 1/6th of the cost of Volvo for instance for the same parts. They are for the best part DIY though not everyone may choose to fit the swivels.

So this is MB they have their reasons and they are great cars
 
Why not just make the suspension more durable in the first place?
 
Why not just make the suspension more durable in the first place?

Yes a good question, by making them only last a short time by todays engineering standards it does bring in work for the service departments, and of coarse while the car is in, you can be told that you need new this and new that, maybe brake disc etc.
This has always been in the back of my mind
 
Why not just make the suspension more durable in the first place?

Some might say that this started when accountants started to run MB instead of engineers. :( However I do wonder about gross suspension movements induced by the now ubiquitous SPEED BUMPS and their effect on suspension component longevity.:eek:
 
Some might say that this started when accountants started to run MB instead of engineers. :( However I do wonder about gross suspension movements induced by the now ubiquitous SPEED BUMPS and their effect on suspension component longevity.:eek:


The only thing here is that my V70R at 75k miles has not had anything replaced, and will not need anything in the foreseeable future, and thats going over the same bumps and humps
 
The only thing here is that my V70R at 75k miles has not had anything replaced, and will not need anything in the foreseeable future, and thats going over the same bumps and humps

That may be a reflection of the fact that your car bought new costs approximately 3 times as much as a basic C class.;) Of all the current models the SL would appear to best retain that over engineered approach of the old cars. In the troubled 90's and early 2000's the SL did much to keep that quality feel going albeit at a price when new, :D while lesser models failed to inspire confidence in the marque. :( Things do seem to be improving recently. Lets hope it continues.:)
 
Happy New Year:)

Along the same lines; when I take my w203 '05 C220 CDI SC evo (with 64K on the clock) in tomorrow for some other MB warranty work, is any instability of the car due to suspension components something I could expect to have fixed under the 3 yr warranty - or would the hands go up in a "that's how its designed so you'll have to pay for repair as part of normal wear and tear..."? My apologies for repetition; I first wittered on about this in http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=44249

I've come to the world of MB following 15 years of the VW Corrado. Apart from brakes and discs the suspension was untouched for 12yrs & 170K miles. Finding that the MB suspension components have such an short lifetime comes as a disappointment to say the least. At 60K miles the car should only just have run-in :D. Break it to me gently; what else is likely to go before 100K:( ?

Cheers.
 
Happy New Year:)

Along the same lines; when I take my w203 '05 C220 CDI SC evo (with 64K on the clock) in tomorrow for some other MB warranty work, is any instability of the car due to suspension components something I could expect to have fixed under the 3 yr warranty - or would the hands go up in a "that's how its designed so you'll have to pay for repair as part of normal wear and tear..."? My apologies for repetition; I first wittered on about this in http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=44249

I've come to the world of MB following 15 years of the VW Corrado. Apart from brakes and discs the suspension was untouched for 12yrs & 170K miles. Finding that the MB suspension components have such an short lifetime comes as a disappointment to say the least. At 60K miles the car should only just have run-in :D. Break it to me gently; what else is likely to go before 100K:( ?Cheers.

IF you want something expensive to worry about [well, you did ask :rolleyes: ] I recommend either glow plugs or diesel injectors. Not too expensive to replace --unless they break when taking them out. Then its a cylinder head off job.:eek: otherwise try http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/index.htm?md=238&
 
Happy New Year:)

Along the same lines; when I take my w203 '05 C220 CDI SC evo (with 64K on the clock) in tomorrow for some other MB warranty work, is any instability of the car due to suspension components something I could expect to have fixed under the 3 yr warranty - or would the hands go up in a "that's how its designed so you'll have to pay for repair as part of normal wear and tear..."? My apologies for repetition; I first wittered on about this in http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=44249

I've come to the world of MB following 15 years of the VW Corrado. Apart from brakes and discs the suspension was untouched for 12yrs & 170K miles. Finding that the MB suspension components have such an short lifetime comes as a disappointment to say the least. At 60K miles the car should only just have run-in :D. Break it to me gently; what else is likely to go before 100K:( ?

Cheers.

Hi mate, did you need work done on the suspension at all? I got fed up of taking mine back to MB and haven't bothered since the warranty ran out. I'm getting instability too, but it feels like the left wheel sometimes has a mind of its own, and also goes through the left hand bends on the M6 with the wheel held straight. However, according to Mercedes, "they all drive like that". BTW I have a 220 CDI Coupe too.
 
yes its normal and yes if they are competent. On w202s they go almost exactly at 60,000 miles in my experience! My w203 has 46k on it and I had mine a bit prematurely recently.

My 202 has 159000 and there is no evidence that any suspension components have been replaced, the only thing in the records is a steering damper. i find it quite disconcerting that it would be normal to replace ball joints and bushes at these low mileages, are these poor quality parts? i would doubt that they are any different to that used on any mass produced car, so the cars design must put too much load on the various parts, put in persective i had a 13yr old vauxhall cavalier with almost 200k on the clock, suspension wise it had one front shock and two sets of rear shocks and thats it, no joints no bushes no track rods no springs, i did put some bottom ball joints on the front of my golf GTI along with some strut top mtgs. but this was at ten years and 150k. excessive wear on the front can be influenced greatly by the way we use our power steering, spinning the wheel whilst stationary puts a huge load on the steering components (probably hundreds of times more that if you are moving even slightly) as can holding the wheel on full lock against the stop, but rear suspension components i expect to last virtually the life of the car give or take the odd failure.
 
I too have a W203 which needs work on the suspension bushes front and rear,something I have never had on any previous car.This is another example of Mercedes not being all it's cracked up to be.I was looking at a new Mondeo the other day all the toys,across the road a new Mercedes twice the price.Is it worth it ? Only to those who need the status symbol
 
The camber bushes have been replaced on mine at about 36,000 due to being split. Garage were going to check the Castor Arm bushes, as it knocks once each time I back off my drive on full lock to the left.

I think only the camber bushes were changed though. Still got the same darn problems.
 
Hi mate, did you need work done on the suspension at all? I got fed up of taking mine back to MB and haven't bothered since the warranty ran out. I'm getting instability too, but it feels like the left wheel sometimes has a mind of its own, and also goes through the left hand bends on the M6 with the wheel held straight. However, according to Mercedes, "they all drive like that". BTW I have a 220 CDI Coupe too.

Hi Chris.

I’ve just returned from having some warranty work done on the car over the last two days, and at the same time had it inspected for worn mounts, as per Ian Walker’s suggestion, and checks for other possible causes of poor ride .
When I took the car in, the foreman & I took the car for a drive. He commented that it was pretty good, not even drifting into the kerb, as many apparently do. We repeated the drive with a 1000mile like-for-like demonstrator. During those drives the road surfaces were pretty good and there wasn’t much to choose between the two cars. It was a good as gold when he took it over bumps which he said made any loose suspension components rattle.
Today the garage said they’d inspected it and found nothing wrong.

It was a stroke of luck that, while my car was in for the work I was able to keep the demonstrator – a C220 CDI coupe evo as a courtesy car. It had the pano roof and was even the same colour as mine (but had less toys :D ) (It’s AUX socket in the glove box worked well with the phone in its MP3 mode, so I’ll be fitting one. Oops, I digress).
I’ve not wasted the opportunity to assess the new vs old cars. I found the loan car to have a better ride. The snags I’d raised about my own car were almost all there, but far less pronounced.
A difference that may be significant; the demo loan car had Continental tyres at 33psi all round. Mine has Michelin Pilot Sport at 33psi rear and 30psi front. The Continentals gave a softer ride and there seemed to be less road noise, though, as the engine in mine seems a little louder, that could be due to some difference in the noise insulation.
The garage suggested reverting to Continentals come the next tyre change. They also suggested a geometry check, but that wouldn’t be covered by warranty so that would be £100 plus up to £90 for parts if re-alignment is required. Over the last two days I came to believe that the difference in tyres might be the problem, but driving back from the garage today I became less and less convinced. Going over a gently uneven road surface at 40 – 50 mph gives a feeling of barrel full of monkeys holding on to the roof and rocking the car from side to side. OK. I exaggerate, but you get my drift.
Fredfloggle has warned of the evo's intolerance to tyre pressure variations. I’m running as recommended, but I’ll give them a try at + and – 10% to see if there’s any noticeable difference.
Now that I know how the car should feel I’m determined to get to the bottom of this before the warranty expires.

As ever, if anyone has struggled to read this far, I’d welcome any further suggestions.

Cheers,

Rich
 
I changed my tyres to Goodyear Excellence tyres which arent cheap but are exceptional good, particularly in the wet but they are the quietest tyres I've ever used and give my lowered AMG wheel car some ride quality back!
 
I have been involved in threads a while back involving the 203 instability, tyre pressures reduced on the front did well on the list , as did rear suspension bushes. Not an easy thing and very bad for the low mileage of the cars involved
 

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