Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[markjay]

Sounds a fully laden swallow Mercedes EQV could require the driver to hold a C1 HGV license to drive legally in the UK? The porky Aldi etron 55 Q8 cannot be far behind in the vehicular obesity stakes either.

'nough with the Holly Grail references!

 

[markjay]

Surly EV's should be banned from enclosed car parks not based on weight but based on IF they catch fire it's a hell of a problem in a confined space .

True. And proof that if you dig deep enough you'll eventually find something negative to say about EVs, that's actually true. Well done, you get a prize

 

[markjay]

Worst case right now would be having every single space filled with an EV weighing in excess of 3 tonnes (sticking with the S Class theme the EQS has a MGW of 3.2 tonnes, or 3.5 tonnes for an EQV). You are confident that all multi-storey car parks going back to say the 1970s would either be designed to safely handle this load or have a way of monitoring and limiting weight by floor as vehicles are entering & parking?

All I'm saying is that access to multi story car parks will be restricted based on worst-case scenario, and not based on an average-case scenario - i.e. it won't be based on some statistical distribution of cars' kerb weight across the various make and model ranges. If the car park can't take a floor full of 3t cars, than 3t cars will be banned from that car park.

 

[BTB 500]

All I'm saying is that access to multi story car parks will be restricted based on worst-case scenario, and not based on an average-case scenario - i.e. it won't be based on some statistical distribution of cars' kerb weight across the various make and model ranges. If the car park can't take a floor full of 3t cars, than 3t cars will be banned from that car park.

Cars weighing in excess of 3 tonnes would have been unthinkable though when these car parks were designed, but I've never personally seen a multi-storey with any restrictions on entry (other than height)?

 

[markjay]

Cars weighing in excess of 3 tonnes would have been unthinkable though when these car parks were designed, but I've never personally seen a multi-storey with any restrictions on entry (other than height)?

Perhaps that's because the design is such that the structure could easily take the load of a full car park with any weight that a car fitting the height can have? You are assuming a design that is set tightly to the weight of a cat multiplied by the spaces, but that design load bearing might have been way way higher.

 

[BTB 500]

Yes, that is possible.

 

[DITTRICH]

2023 Car Park Design Guidance Updates - Adapting to a new era of car park design

The Institute of Structural Engineers (IStructE) released its Car Park Design Guidance on the 8th of June, building on a legacy of 45 years and four editions of its Design recommendations for multi-story and underground car parks document. Read about them here.

mayerbrown.co.uk

The debate about EV's and the consequences for car park design.

 

[markjay]

Yes, that is possible.

I was looking for an argument

You may well be right, maybe there's an issue with weight in multi story car parks, I don't know.

I'm just annoyed by posts 'innocently' pointing out EV negatives, most of which are false (stuff you read on the Internet), others are true but didn't seem to bother anyone before we had EVs.

Apologies if I came across too harsh.

EDIT: Just saw DITTRICHs' post.

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi , it's a loaded question :

If you were walking down a road would you rather be hit by a battery car ( heavy ) or the equivalent petrol car ( light ) from the same manufacturer ?

 

[markjay]

Hi , it's a loaded question :

If you were walking down a road would you rather be hit by a battery car ( heavy ) or the equivalent petrol car ( light ) from the same manufacturer ?

It never ends...........

 

[Darrell]

In Brighton today.

 

[markjay]

In Brighton today.
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Yes, these night tariffs are much cheaper

In case anyone still thinks that electricity for EVs can be taxed.... you could possibly tax electricity from public chargers, but if the tax is too high, then those who can will charge their cars from their home supply (and on night tariff....). There will need to be a different mechanism for taxing EVs. Pay per mile, anyone? I'm in favour, BTW.

 

[fabes]

Ref the photo from Brighton, that's not that bad....?

 

[REDCAPPER]

Don't worry there will soon be EV charging tarrifs from the power companies, they will be priced to replace the
revenue from fuel duty. Metered separately from domestic rate. Suppliers are already asking if you have or intend to have an EV. They are cheap to run for now but for how much longer.

 

[markjay]

Don't worry there will soon be EV charging tarrifs from the power companies, they will be priced to replace the
revenue from fuel duty. Metered separately from domestic rate. Suppliers are already asking if you have or intend to have an EV. They are cheap to run for now but for how much longer.

Yes but that Tesla is (most likely) plugged into a 3-pin socket in the living room, charging at 3kW... You just can't prevent people from doing that (unless you legislate against it the employ wardens or marshalls to enforce it). And there's no way that the utility company can even know about it.

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi markjay , I am not trying to upset you and if I have I apologize for my action.

My concern is that we are being forced by government to use a vehicle type that has no infrastructure to ensure ease of use now or in the future.In turn that affects my ability to travel in the UK when I want to.Where I live reliable public transport is non existent.

I respect your right to own a battery car and in the capital it could be a stop gap answer. I live in Malvern and the uptake of battery cars is limited. We have 2 charging parks in Malvern and the cars on the stands are very nearly zero.

I believe that the private customer who has purchased an EV has done it for a novility value and will revert back to an ICE car.

I now only drive 5000 per year but when I do drive the distances are considerable. Local journeys I walk and I swim 5 days per week to keep fit.

I reduced my private mileage down from 12000 per year to 5000 so I done have bit for the climate issue.

I believe that in the short term a mixture of car types are required.

I purchased my cars as per government policy of the time and have spent considerable sums on my cars over the years.

Personally I am pleased that the date for baning the sale of ICE cars has been pushed back to 2035 but for the car industry it's an absolute fiasco.

It a little like our two new aircraft carriers , not enough aircraft to fly from them and our surface fleet is so small other Western powers escort these ships.

All previous governments have been glueless at forward planning and it now shows !

Has Gove resigned yet ?
Lol

 

[Darrell]

Ref the photo from Brighton, that's not that bad....?

Depends.
If your vision isn’t that good and you trip over it and break a limb it’s going to be a bloody nightmare.

What I’ve shown in the photo is a health hazard.

 

[sgregory124]

Yes but that Tesla is (most likely) plugged into a 3-pin socket in the living room, charging at 3kW... You just can't prevent people from doing that (unless you legislate against it the employ wardens or marshalls to enforce it). And there's no way that the utility company can even know about it.

I have to disagree, the power companies will have a pretty good idea you’re charging an EV from a regular 3-pin plug. The continuous current draw over however many hours it takes will show up on usage data and eventually a trend will be identified.

Plus, ‘smart’ meters are only going to get smarter, it won’t be something you can hide going forward.

 

[Gollom]

Depends.
If your vision isn’t that good and you trip over it and break a limb it’s going to be a bloody nightmare.

What I’ve shown in the photo is a health hazard.

Totally agree! I have worked a little with the RNIB and the majority of people we refer to as blind in fact have some limited vision. This can include lack of object definition and/or colouring. So, it is late at night, throwing down which of course darkens the pavement, and someone is hurrying home to get out of the rain. You get the picture I'm sure.

If there were one on my road, I'd make a fuss without hesitation.

(And don't get me started on people who don't trim overhanging hedges, vegetation etc. Lethal to blind/partially sighted people)

 

[markjay]

Hi markjay , I am not trying to upset you and if I have I apologize for my action.

My concern is that we are being forced by government to use a vehicle type that has no infrastructure to ensure ease of use now or in the future.In turn that affects my ability to travel in the UK when I want to.Where I live reliable public transport is non existent.

I respect your right to own a battery car and in the capital it could be a stop gap answer. I live in Malvern and the uptake of battery cars is limited. We have 2 charging parks in Malvern and the cars on the stands are very nearly zero.

I believe that the private customer who has purchased an EV has done it for a novility value and will revert back to an ICE car.

I now only drive 5000 per year but when I do drive the distances are considerable. Local journeys I walk and I swim 5 days per week to keep fit.

I reduced my private mileage down from 12000 per year to 5000 so I done have bit for the climate issue.

I believe that in the short term a mixture of car types are required.

I purchased my cars as per government policy of the time and have spent considerable sums on my cars over the years.

Personally I am pleased that the date for baning the sale of ICE cars has been pushed back to 2035 but for the car industry it's an absolute fiasco.

It a little like our two new aircraft carriers , not enough aircraft to fly from them and our surface fleet is so small other Western powers escort these ships.

All previous governments have been glueless at forward planning and it now shows !

Has Gove resigned yet ?
Lol

There's no need to apologise.

I am not a die-hard EV fanatic, and I fully understand that not everyone likes EVs, or can manage with running one, for various reasons.

I don't personally have strong view regarding the government's policy, either. If anything, I think that certain exemptions for EVs make no sense, such as the Congestion Charge exemption in London.

My only issue is with the plethora of misinformation posted online regarding EVs. Let's stick to the facts please... thank you.