Will this cause a knock on effect?

[m80]

Ameland rescue: Crew jump off ship ablaze with cargo of 3,000 cars

One person died as fire took hold of the ship as it burned off the Dutch island of Ameland.

www.bbc.co.uk

3,000 cars aboard,
25 of them electric,
1 is 'likely' the cause of the fire.

That's a small proportion of leccy cars, and one goes poof.
The attempt to save us from ICE pollution isn't looking positive in this case.

So are freight transport, ferries, and the Chunnel (amongst others I'm sure), likely to re assess the risks of carrying these mo mo's?
We might consider the risks of leccy scooters.
Air travel have worries of rechargeable leccy devices due to incidents.

Insurance companies could make their attractiveness far less so,'do you charge an electric vehicle at home' might be a pertinent question.
The workplace may need restrict staff charging, or create a safe area for such. Maybe not so safe for other vehicles close by mind.

It would seem reasonable to expect more such instances as more take to the leccy revolution, although there isn't going to be many revolutions after they go poof.

 

[clk320x]

Yawn.

Fact Check: Do electric cars catch fire more often than combustion engine cars?

© RTL Grafik Every now and again, a news story about an electric vehicle catching fire is published. Underneath the article, you are almost certain to find at least one comment along the lines of "another electric vehicle...". But are these vehicles really more likely to catch fire than

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[Connoisseur]

Ameland rescue: Crew jump off ship ablaze with cargo of 3,000 cars

One person died as fire took hold of the ship as it burned off the Dutch island of Ameland.

www.bbc.co.uk

3,000 cars aboard,
25 of them electric,
1 is 'likely' the cause of the fire.

That's a small proportion of leccy cars, and one goes poof.
The attempt to save us from ICE pollution isn't looking positive in this case.

So are freight transport, ferries, and the Chunnel (amongst others I'm sure), likely to re assess the risks of carrying these mo mo's?
We might consider the risks of leccy scooters.
Air travel have worries of rechargeable leccy devices due to incidents.

Insurance companies could make their attractiveness far less so,'do you charge an electric vehicle at home' might be a pertinent question.
The workplace may need restrict staff charging, or create a safe area for such. Maybe not so safe for other vehicles close by mind.

It would seem reasonable to expect more such instances as more take to the leccy revolution, although there isn't going to be many revolutions after they go poof.

Utter cobblers lol nobody knows the cause of the fire, so some out of the loop dipstick tells a journalist it must be an electric car as the ship has some on board, and everyone else runs around in circles a la Corporal Jones screaming ‘don’t panic’

 

[ALFAitalia]

Of course petrol isn't flammable in any way and petrol cars never catch fire!!!

 

[m80]

and the leccy scooters, on charge, bursting into flames is a mere ploy to get youtube clicks.
There haven't been issues on planes where rechargeable cells haven't created issue.

 

[rf065]

Utter cobblers lol nobody knows the cause of the fire, so some out of the loop dipstick tells a journalist it must be an electric car as the ship has some on board, and everyone else runs around in circles a la Corporal Jones screaming ‘don’t panic’

Explain this then, The International Maritime Organisation, which sets out regulation for safety at sea, plans to evaluate new measures for ships transporting electric vehicles next year in light of the growing number of fires on cargo ships

 

[markjay]

Regardless of how this fire started, we should really consider the risk that EV batteries can cause when transported on vessels (with or without a car).

The obvious issue is that an EV battery fire cannot be extinguished until either the fuel or oxygen run out.

The maritime industry should come up with a solution - perhaps transporting EVs in fire proof sealed metal containers, given that the containers themselves can be cooled down using seawater and won't harm the ship even if their contents are on fire.

 

[markjay]

On the same note... can someone explain why electric batteries in e-bikes and e-scooters keep exploding? It's not like the Chinese are using some new cutting edge tech in these batteries. In essence they are no different than batteries in rechargeable power tools, rechargeable vacuum cleaners, and even laptops and mobile phone - so why are the e-bike/e-scooters prone to exploding, while other rechargeable batteries, are not?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Data obtained by Air Quality News through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with just 54 electric vehicle fires compared to 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.
And from the US of A....
Overall, EVs are about 0.3 percent likely to ignite, versus a 1.05 percent likelihood for gas cars, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and the National Transportation Safety Board compiled by Auto Insurance EZ last year

 

[Doodle]

Data obtained by Air Quality News through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with just 54 electric vehicle fires compared to 1,898 petrol and diesel fires.

Which is meaningless without also knowing the percentage of EVs to ICE vehicles on their patch.

Lies, damn lies and statistics

 

[ALFAitalia]

I notice how you edited out the second part that takes that into account though! ICE cars are about three times as likely to catch fire overall.

 

[rf065]

I notice how you edited out the second part that takes that into account though! ICE cars are about three times as likely to catch fire overall.

I notice you've ignored the fact that ICE cars tend catch fire later in their lifespan due to other faults like fuel leaks or components breaking down through age and use. Unlike electric cars that start catching fire on the journey from the factory to whichever country is importing them before they have even been used by the customer who ordered them?

 

[clk320x]

I notice you've ignored the fact that ICE cars tend catch fire later in their lifespan due to other faults like fuel leaks or components breaking down through age and use. Unlike electric cars that start catching fire on the journey from the factory to whichever country is importing them before they have even been used by the customer who ordered them?

I love how this thread will soon be pages long AND there’s still no evidence the ship fire had anything to do with an EV to begin with.

 

[Connoisseur]

I notice you've ignored the fact that ICE cars tend catch fire later in their lifespan due to other faults like fuel leaks or components breaking down through age and use. Unlike electric cars that start catching fire on the journey from the factory to whichever country is importing them before they have even been used by the customer who ordered them?

I notice that you are happy to make wild and unproven claims about new EV cars and fires, while also making an unproven claim that ICE cars tend to catch fire late in their lifespan. Consistent I guess…..

 

[Doodle]

Just to confuse matters, the only vehicle fire I've suffered was my diesel A8, and that was caused by an electrical fault

 

[m80]

Just to confuse matters, the only vehicle fire I've suffered was my diesel A8, and that was caused by an electrical fault

Same really, after all how can it be anything else on an EV?

To be fair to the EV, there have been ICE recalls due to fire risks on new(ish) ICE mo mo's. Weren't Vauxhall suffering bad press (if that has any value anyway) due to such?

So we don't know yet what started the fire, and the media would take the word of a seagull as to what started it. But we do have plausible accusability (new word, Shakespeare eat yer heart out), and their fires tend to be a more significant event, again, if reports have any value.

I see a greater defence of the EV than used to be. Seems they are becoming an acceptable form of dictated transport, in places like London at least. I'm reading more forum comments that EV's are the future, so the planet shall be saved after all (sarcasm intended).

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Same really, after all how can it be anything else on an EV?

To be fair to the EV, there have been ICE recalls due to fire risks on new(ish) ICE mo mo's. Weren't Vauxhall suffering bad press (if that has any value anyway) due to such?

So we don't know yet what started the fire, and the media would take the word of a seagull as to what started it. But we do have plausible accusability (new word, Shakespeare eat yer heart out), and their fires tend to be a more significant event, again, if reports have any value.

I see a greater defence of the EV than used to be. Seems they are becoming an acceptable form of dictated transport, in places like London at least. I'm reading more forum comments that EV's are the future, so the planet shall be saved after all (sarcasm intended).

What would make them unacceptable?

 

[BTB 500]

On the same note... can someone explain why electric batteries in e-bikes and e-scooters keep exploding?

Same as e-cigs / vapes / etc. I think ... typically down to cheap & nasty chargers. Lithium batteries are much more fragile than other chemistries (nicd, nimh, lead/acid, etc.) and relatively easy to damage by charging too fast / too far, over discharging etc. Couple that with a high energy density and they do need to be managed carefully to avoid problems. Phone / tablet / laptop batteries are pretty reliable but charging (and discharging) is very tightly controlled & monitored on those. They still catch fire occasionally - a friend of mine had a house fire recently that killed all his dogs while he was out ... that was caused by a MacBook. We all had IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads at work and I'm pretty sure there was a recall on some models of those after a few caught fire.

Interestingly Toyota & Lexus stuck with nimh cells in their hybrids for a very long time which I suspect contributed towards their reputation for reliability and longevity. They've only started to use lithium batteries quite recently.

I've used lithium packs for radio controlled aircraft for over 20 years and do treat them with respect. Always charge them on a fire proof surface, and I store them in steel ammunition boxes (with the rubber sealing gaskets removed to allow pressure release if necessary). Quite a few r/c modellers have had house/garage/car fires caused by lithium packs, mostly (but not all) down to bad charging for one reason or another.

 

[clk320x]

I see a greater defence of the EV than used to be. Seems they are becoming an acceptable form of dictated transport, in places like London at least. I'm reading more forum comments that EV's are the future,

I’ve driven across Europe & all over the U.K. in my EV… the infrastructure is excellent now and improving constantly.

 

[clk320x]

a friend of mine had a house fire recently that killed all his dogs while he was out

That is heartbreaking and one of my biggest fears, can’t begin to imagine what those poor dogs must have gone through.