Winter Diesel

[nigel cross]

Has anyone tried this?
Is it work trying?
Any pro's or Con's?

 

[Dieselman]

Given that all filling stations will now be stocking winter diesel, how will anyone filling a diesel car not have tried it?

 

[whitenemesis]

Will they have stocked "winter diesel"? At what temperature/date does this supply kick in?

 

[Rory]

It'll have been in garage tanks for the last 6 weeks or more.

 

[whitenemesis]

Ok, how do you know this? Where is it documented?

 

[Dieselman]

Ok, how do you know this? Where is it documented?

On 'tinternet, it's not hard to find.

Apparently one large supplier supply Winter diesel from 16th November to 15th March.

 

[whitenemesis]

Link?

 

[reason42]

here

and here:

Driving to Europe in winter | AA

 

[nigel cross]

So what you are saying, you don't have a choice between diesel and winter diesel, the simply change over the diesel in the petrol stations to winter diesel in the same tanks .

 

[WOODYTHEWISE]

In the bad old days the diesel used to (wax) I think it was called in winter, it was common for HGV drivers to light a small fire under the fuel tank (I kid you not) I used to mix a little petrol in with the diesel. Since ?????? this is no longer a problem, whatever is added to stop waxing is added to the diesel prior to delivery.

 

[bes1110]

No you don't have a choice, oil company's have to use an anti waxing additive in the winter. It's to comply with an EU directive or the EN 590 standard.

 

[Dryce]

So what you are saying, you don't have a choice between diesel and winter diesel, the simply change over the diesel in the petrol stations to winter diesel in the same tanks .

And as a result diesel car, van, and truck drivers have pretty much forgotten what used to happen in cold weather when you used to see trucks stuck by the road side in very cold weather with their fuel lines blocked up.

 

[SilverSaloon]

And as a result diesel car, van, and truck drivers have pretty much forgotten what used to happen in cold weather when you used to see trucks stuck by the road side in very cold weather with their fuel lines blocked up.

all these told "tricks of the trade" are very much in mind when running on Comedy Fuels.

I put 10% Unleaded with my Waste Cooking Oil into both my cars. Helps prevent it waxing as I dont use pump Diesel.

As with others, all petrol stations will now be supplying winter diesel by default.

to be on the safe side, stay away from the low-rent/back street/independent fuel stations for a few more weeks maybe? maybe worth some thought or checking if you live somewhere remote and you have to rely on an indy petrol station

 

[Rory]

Petrol is supposed to change too and there's three levels - I forget what they're called but something like summer, intermediate and winter.

It's not clear to me that they do actually change though - it's just a slight change in the spec and it could be that one belnd would meet all three specs.

 

[whitenemesis]

here

and here:

Driving to Europe in winter | AA

Hah! I like that first animated "helper", shame it doesn't actually answer the question...

And nether does the second one.

All I wanted to know is where did Will (and others) get the info from that we are now using winter fuels? Not just a generic "it's that time of year" statement.
Do fuel stations post a notice? Is it labelled somewhere?

 

[V12]

"United Kingdom
The United Kingdom differentiates diesel fuel into Summer and Winter Fuel according to BS EN 950[31] and BS EN14214 (biodiesel).[32][33] The same numbers are used in the Republic of Ireland. Distribution of winter biodiesel in the United Kingdom starts in November and ends in March.[31]
Designation CFPP value time frame Cloud Point
Summer Fuel -5 °C 16.03. - 15.11. 3 °C
Winter Fuel -15 °C 16.11. - 15.03. -5 °C
"

So if I read that correctly, our summer fuel works fine down to -5 and they probably allow a little wiggle room as well.

 

[grumpyoldgit]

Pre winter diesel days I used to work for a company that had it's own diesel tank and remember too well the problems with fuel waxing in HGV's due to the fuel lines being exposed to the icy winds. We used to buy additives to add to the tank to help avoid this problem, then the oils companies themselves started adding the additives. When ordering bulk supplies (20,000 gallons I think the tank held) they always used to advise if it was winter grade fuel. If I remember correctly, it was always noted on the delivery note.
Don't know if it's still the same though, but maybe the fuel stations will be able to advise, when they took delivery of winter grade. As far as I'm aware the fact is not advertised anywhere else.

Winter fuel is just another of the advancements which contribute to trouble free motoring, one that a lot of people are unaware of and is just one more thing that saves the problems of yesteryear.

 

[Dieselman]

Ok, how do you know this? Where is it documented?

On 'tinternet, it's not hard to find.

Apparently one large supplier supply Winter diesel from 16th November to 15th March.

You can find this in under a minute.

I am not going to be drawn into a protracted debate over whether Winter fuel is supplied or not...it is...

 

[Charles Morgan]

Does it affect fuel consumption in any meaningful way?

 

[Dieselman]

Does it affect fuel consumption in any meaningful way?

A reduction of a couple mpg.