Youff of today

[Matt32AMG]

Sorry, Had to get this off my chest...

So there we are just driving to the gym in my wife’s BMW, 9:00am on a bright Sunday morning, doing a gentle 35mph in 40mph zone, when this young turkey on his push bike, (you know the profile, 16-17 year old in a grey Hoodie, hasn’t quite learned to shave, on an old beaten up BMX plugged into his IPOD), decides it’s be a great idea to do an immediate right turn directly in front of us, on spotting a mate who happened to be stood stationary on the pavement opposite him. My wife slams on the breaks and hits the horn, (as there is no time to take any other avoiding action), as this lunatic manoeuvre was undertaken no more than 50ft in front of us, apparently, totally oblivious to his impending doom or a very long hospital appointment at best. I mean, and I can't stress this enough, but for the grace of god, my wife’s excellent reactions and BMW brakes, he’d be toast, make no mistake, we missed him by inches! I kid you not.

What followed was a tirade of foul mouthed verbal abuse following this individuals narrow escape, not just from the boy in question but from both! It just staggered the imagination.
For two pins I’d’ve come down on these chaps so hard they would’ve had to have reached up to do their shoe laces, (If they had any of course, as both wore trainer’s devoid of any!) I mean, what is it with this element of youth culture, that feels having been caught doing something really really stupid, that the best course of action is to show aggression, and threatening behaviour, worse still towards my wife. (but any woman for that matter), is just disgraceful.

I'm getting so sick of this, what is wrong with this country that we can't seem to impart simple values and respect in life to the younger generation!
My wife was really frightened by it. I on the other hand was just very angry,

I worked off my anger in the gym GRRRRR

Bring back National service

 

[mattc]

Now now, the little darlings are just expressing themselves.

I can just imagine the sort....if you had run the waste of oxygen over his 3rd generation benefit claiming family would have been on local tell claiming "he was a lovely lad..never getting in any trouble etc"

Funny; I have yet to see anyone come into the media and say something to the effect of what an horrid little S**te he was and he had it coming to him.

I think ultimately it reflects badly on those of us over a certain age...we have created (or tacitly allowed it to come about is probably nearer the mark) the situation by allowing the liberal attitude to direct the moral decay in this country.

Rightly or wrongly the persception is that youff has gone bad so we who allowed it to happen need to fix it

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Matt. Glad to hear it was a near hit, and not a near miss.

I too find it frustrating that this element of society is growing with such pace. It's a terrible state of affairs that we should feel unable to stand up for ourselves in fear of an irrational and aggressive response. When there's a group it makes things even more volatile.

Sadly I fear there is no solution. If there was, surely their parents would have taken some action. We're probably into second generation thugs of this type, so it's pretty much in the DNA now.

 

[verytalldave]

One day at some time in the future, THEY will be the ones on the receiving end. Only then will the penny drop and just retribution be established. You must satisfy yourself that this will surely happen as much as night follows day.
I firmly believe that what comes around goes around and that these low life will become the victims themselves eventually.
Not much of a consolation for us now I know, but I do get at least some small degree of satisfaction from this knowledge.

 

[mattc]

Sadly I fear there is no solution. If there was, surely their parents would have taken some action. We're probably into second generation thugs of this type, so it's pretty much in the DNA now.

There are solutions ...but probably not for these guys..too late basically as their solcialisation is already "hardwired"....but that does not mean we should give up on the current 2,3,4, 5 year olds does it? Thats where you have to do the work. at 15 or 16 these people have been on their life journey for a while and can see for themselves where its heading.

the hard part Rob will be challenging the "i know my rights" chants. we need politicans to change the laws and set the tone/agenda. Unfortuntely the perception is they are too busy feathering their own nests to care about the greater good of the country. So we probably need to change our politicans first!!

 

[SilverSaloon]

all a result of the PC country we all live in now.... its only going to get worse, as the above post says, with each generation.

The other week i got the train back from work; had to walk thru an dimly-lit park - friday night a HUGE (maybe 20 odd) gang of 15-20 year olds hanging about shouting drunk/drugged up abuse at everyone who was walking by, both to male & female, from male & female youths, coming up to you, right in your face.

Disgusting, but at the end of the day no one stands up to these as you'd probably get knived or arrested. Best thing to do is just completely blank them and continue on. Although the temptation to turn round and thump one of them is very tempting, but suicidal.

 

[Matt32AMG]

Matt. Glad to hear it was a near hit, and not a near miss.

I too find it frustrating that this element of society is growing with such pace. It's a terrible state of affairs that we should feel unable to stand up for ourselves in fear of an irrational and aggressive response. When there's a group it makes things even more volatile.

Sadly I fear there is no solution. If there was, surely their parents would have taken some action. We're probably into second generation thugs of this type, so it's pretty much in the DNA now.

Sad to say I agree with your view Bobby, that it's pretty much in the DNA, and only further serves to underpin ideas I may have, and it pains me to say this, of joining the other 4million people and quit this once great country.

Cheers
Matt

 

[Deleted member 2227]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience but grateful no one was hurt.

I meet a lot of kids who are young musicians or I know via Church and they are wonderful, talented, humble, kind, generous and helpful kids.

At the weekend I was at an event where 120 kids were performing and they were wonderful. Tonight I'm attending Medway Young Musician of the year heats-the kids will be so hard working and talented , you just have to hear them!. I arrange an annual charity collection- my daughters friends volunteer to come and collect for hours. The same people organise a tea and entertainment for the elderly.

Yes there are bad kids (Like one who assaulted me last year) but I know far more wonderful ones. Be reassured they aren't all bad.

 

[TonyVianoAmbiente]

"The youff of today are the parents of tomorrow."

Discuss.

 

[Matt32AMG]

all a result of the PC country we all live in now.... its only going to get worse, as the above post says, with each generation.

The other week i got the train back from work; had to walk thru an dimly-lit park - friday night a HUGE (maybe 20 odd) gang of 15-20 year olds hanging about shouting drunk/drugged up abuse at everyone who was walking by, both to male & female, from male & female youths, coming up to you, right in your face.

Disgusting, but at the end of the day no one stands up to these as you'd probably get knived or arrested. Best thing to do is just completely blank them and continue on. Although the temptation to turn round and thump one of them is very tempting, but suicidal.

I was very tempted to thup them believe me if I'm being honest , but then as you say I'd then get arrested, and done for ABH.

 

[Matt32AMG]

"The youff of today are the parents of tomorrow."

Discuss.

(I'll put on the flack jacket now!)

Isn't that a worrying thought! "The youff of today are the parents of tomorrow." Though I appreciate that by making that statement I am tarring all kids with the same brush, therefore its a bit sweeping.

However, as for kids bringing up kids??? What's that about? Kids under 18 should be means tested before being allowed to go through with the pregnancy. Why should the tax payer have to pay for it??

 

[glojo]

There are solutions ...but probably not for these guys..too late basically as their solcialisation is already "hardwired"....but that does not mean we should give up on the current 2,3,4, 5 year olds does it? Thats where you have to do the work. at 15 or 16 these people have been on their life journey for a while and can see for themselves where its heading.

Your so right,
The age of influencing our children is way before they go to infant school, but..................... I fear things are going to get a darn sight worse before they get better. How many parents leave their 2, 3 , and four year olds at nurseries or so called pre-schools? These locations look after children whilst parents abdicate the responsibilities of teaching their children right from wrong, respect and particularly respect for their fellow being. Go into any nursery and you will see the children playing but...... Look at the wider picture, child 'a' has a toy and child 'b' wants it. What happens is that the laws of the jungle will always kick in and no child is taught how to behave correctly and neither is taught they cannot have their own way and this is what we continually see as children grow-up. They want their own way.

Your cyclist felt they had the right to do what they wanted and say what they wanted simply because that person had probably never been taught right from wrong. My post is very generalised and might cause offence and that is not the intent, I simply believe very strongly in the traditional family environment of two parents, one of whom should take the main role in the raising of the baby\infant whilst the other is the bread winner. (trying not to be too PC)

National Service
Tooooo late. These youffs would not last two minutes, they would cry their eyes out and we would all be listening to our local MP demanding a public inquiry into bullying, harassment etc. Military service is an excellent vocation and for those that take this route they will always come out of it a better person, but those that enter MUST be prepared to accept discipline.

REgards
John

 

[mattc]

Your so right,
The age of influencing our children is way before they go to infant school, but..................... I fear things are going to get a darn sight worse before they get better. How many parents leave their 2, 3 , and four year olds at nurseries or so called pre-schools? These locations look after children whilst parents abdicate the responsibilities of teaching their children right from wrong, respect and particularly respect for their fellow being. Go into any nursery and you will see the children playing but...... Look at the wider picture, child 'a' has a toy and child 'b' wants it. What happens is that the laws of the jungle will always kick in and no child is taught how to behave correctly and neither is taught they cannot have their own way and this is what we continually see as children grow-up. They want their own way.

Your cyclist felt they had the right to do what they wanted and say what they wanted simply because that person had probably never been taught right from wrong. My post is very generalised and might cause offence and that is not the intent, I simply believe very strongly in the traditional family environment of two parents, one of whom should take the main role in the raising of the baby\infant whilst the other is the bread winner. (trying not to be too PC)

National Service
Tooooo late. These youffs would not last two minutes, they would cry their eyes out and we would all be listening to our local MP demanding a public inquiry into bullying, harassment etc. Military service is an excellent vocation and for those that take this route they will always come out of it a better person, but those that enter MUST be prepared to accept discipline.

REgards
John

John, you are certainly not offending me. I happen to agree with you on the 2 parent family system...it worked wonders for thousands of years along with the extended family (clans) network all living locally. now we have a disperate society where nobody knows anyone anymore(why are we on a forum bemoaning it with poeple we have never even met !!!)

Many single parents have and contnue to do an excellent job....but i bet they wish they had soemone to share th load with..raising kids it hard work.

john.. i think at the simplest of levels we need to change our capitalist society; so fixated on money money money - and even if we are not our bosses are...and they are driving the agenda which influences the largest part of our waking hours-work. people are too busy chasing a living that other things suffer (such as raising our young properly). changing the whole direction of our society is not an easy task and will not happen quickly..i think it will get worse before it gets better

matt

 

[Matt32AMG]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience but grateful no one was hurt.

I meet a lot of kids who are young musicians or I know via Church and they are wonderful, talented, humble, kind, generous and helpful kids.

At the weekend I was at an event where 120 kids were performing and they were wonderful. Tonight I'm attending Medway Young Musician of the year heats-the kids will be so hard working and talented , you just have to hear them!. I arrange an annual charity collection- my daughters friends volunteer to come and collect for hours. The same people organise a tea and entertainment for the elderly.

Yes there are bad kids (Like one who assaulted me last year) but I know far more wonderful ones. Be reassured they aren't all bad.

Thank you for your comment, and yes, I am relieved no-one was hurt, my wife would've been devastated had she thought for a moment she'd been responsible or the cause of hurting anyone.

I'm sure you are correct in your assessment that not all kids are of the calibre of the individuals we nearly ran across (excuse the pun), last Sunday. But here in Bournemouth, we certainly seem to have our fair share. And whatever any one says, this type of thing wasn’t a regular happening 10 years ago and unheard of 20years ago in our town.

Today it’s an everyday occurrence. Our local MP Tobias Elwood was verbally attacked and then subjected to a hail of stones directed at him and his car, for daring to suggest to a gang of youths, including girls, to stop relieving themselves in some poor old ladies front garden. It made the national Newspapers. The girls were the worst offenders by all accounts, and the poor lady in question whose house was the subject to this behaviour was terrified. Tobias Elwood rang the Police who turned up, eventually, but no action taken. There’s a surprise, not!

Then this week, two people were murdered within half a mile of each other, and an armed robbery at a local Tesco express. This is Bournemouth, retirement home of the UK, as some have said!! Not a huge city such as Liverpool or London, Manchester.

It's just horrible and something has got to be done.

 

[chriswt]

(I'll put on the flack jacket now!)

Isn't that a worrying thought! "The youff of today are the parents of tomorrow." Though I appreciate that by making that statement I am tarring all kids with the same brush, therefore its a bit sweeping.

However, as for kids bringing up kids??? What's that about? Kids under 18 should be means tested before being allowed to go through with the pregnancy. Why should the tax payer have to pay for it??

Personally I think you lot are all way out of line, I can't see why we give this section of society such a hard time. Without them where would we be?

1. No great TV programmes such as Wife swap, Holiday Showdown, Brits abroad etc etc?

2. Who would buy and/or feature in those intellectually stimulating Celebrity magazines?

3. Where would we find our next working class hero’s such as Jordon and Kerry Catatonia who teach so many young girls that having loads of children is the best career out there?

 

[st13phil]

There are solutions ...but probably not for these guys..too late basically as their solcialisation is already "hardwired"....but that does not mean we should give up on the current 2,3,4, 5 year olds does it? Thats where you have to do the work. at 15 or 16 these people have been on their life journey for a while and can see for themselves where its heading.

I agree that we need to have a concerted effort at doing a better collective job of instilling appropriate social values within the younger children in our society, but I don't necessarily agree that the 15 / 16-year olds who are already "off the rails" stand no chance of learning different behaviour and that we have to treat them as written-off.

There's a chap I have the priviledge of calling a good friend who I first met some 8 years ago who is now in his early fifties. He is one of the kindest, gentlest, most honest and reliable blokes I've ever met and he is justifiably proud of his and his wife's efforts in raising two well-balanced young adults, one of whom now has three small children of her own. However when he was in his late teens he was, by his own admission, a complete hightmare - certainly far worse than the majority of today's average hood rats - and certainly not the sort of person I would have had anything to do with. His own honestly held belief was that had he not met the woman that was to become his wife and settled into life with her when he did, then he would definitely have found his way into the penal system and most probably wouldn't have lived to be the age he is now. Things can turn around and individuals can and do change. The challenge is to find the key to unlock an individual's potential for good, be that through encouragement and opportunity or chastisement and penalty because each individual will have their own particular trigger to which they respond.

the hard part Rob will be challenging the "i know my rights" chants.

I (and I suspect most contributors to this forum) learnt very early on in life that with rights come responsibilities. In my view the problem lies more in the lack of a sense of responsibility for individual behaviour that seems to exist in some members of our society than in the granting of rights by statute. Society as a whole and the Judiciary in particular need to get that balance of rights and responsibilities on a more even footing.

 

[mattc]

I know individuals find their own redemption...but that is often after a rather nasty incident or 2. Phil, speaking with your new friend about his past will probably reveal a real horror story where he realised the only outcome was life altering (death, severe permanent injury etc). I bet your friend met the right person at the right time..how many people in similar situtaions DONT have that vital influence at the VITAL time?

People need to learn that actions have consequences....that is lacking at the moment

 

[jadefox]

"The youff of today are the parents of tomorrow."

Discuss.

I wonder if my generation (the kids who were born in the 70's and actually brought up well and seemed to be the last who were before the Chav-style 1980's sect) will instill enough into our kids that by the time they grow up there will be a different attitude to stuff?

It worries me too about all this yob culture - it didn't happen even when I was a kid - yeah, you got your youths hanging about on corners, but they didn't backchat like these ones seem to do today.

I just hope like I said that it'll be MY generation who actually clamp down on or kids and snuff all this anti-social behaviour out.

 

[W210 Fan]

Im with most people here, its a big society problem, handed down from brussels and started when kids couldnt be smacked - no deterrant, the government wont change it as they are too busy taking the next order from brussels/keeping their bums warm in westminster,

Matt32AMG, tme to leave big man, it will get worse before some sort of revolution makes it better and I cant be bothered to hang around while it happens, im aworking to pay my debts off then im off

Glojo - national service, I spoke at length with the MoD about this while trialing some new kit with them, there response was an infactic "we dont f**king want them either" CO`s are not allowed to shout and swear at recruits anymore because of........ you guessed it, brussles mandates, the same brussels mandates that created the problem are stopping it getting better, maybe we should leave Europe and stop being run by them????

In the mean time I will be driving around in a £2K 432 APC with a £500 replica 50CAL on it, all legal and no snot nose c**t on a BMX will think of taking me on in it, sorry to insinuate swearing on this forum but I feel strongly about the youth of today, thats why I live in Farnham as far away from this element of society as I can get, like other towns it may get dragged down, I will be in Australia by then and wont care

 

[chriswt]

People need to learn that actions have consequences....that is lacking at the moment

That’s hit the nail directly on the head and I couldn’t agree more.

Its seems that everyone is well aware that if you trip over at work the consequences are extensive and require financial compensation but very little is said about the suffering of victims at the hands of social misfits.

I watched ‘Police camera action’ and there was a car chase which resulted in the criminal smashing into a learner driver who was pulling out onto a main road.

While the police were heavy handily dragging the criminal from the car I’m sure a lot of people were happily criticising the police officers actions as usual but my mind was firmly on the possible effect the crash must have had and still has on the poor young female learner driver.