lighters

Hi there, Both front and rear cigar lighters are not working. I have checked all the fuses, i think. Are they connected to any other systems? Also, how the hell do I get the ash tray out of the front.... plaese don't tell me I need to take out the whole center console..:mad:

Just in case anyone makes the same stupid mistake as me :confused: :eek: When you disable the rear electric windows from the front controls, (so as kids cant open them) this also disables the rear ciggie lighters :eek: I don't smoke and don't no many who do these days, but I use these...

Firstly, I'm assuming there is no way I can set them to stay on when keys removed from ignition? Secondly, lets say I am charging 2 torches or one torch and one of those little 4 can coolers/fridge things - roughly how long could I do so without having to fire up the engine? i.e. could I leave...