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A209 CLK350 Cautionary Tale

Andetover

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I'll keep it brief.
I recently had yet another close shave with my CLK350 Sport.

I had noticed oil floating on the surface of the coolant in the header tank, and feared the worst (head gasket).
A proper diagnosis revealed a perforated oil heat exchange, and so a complete unit with attached oil filter housing was ordered, the cooling system flushed, and oil change underway...

I asked if, whilst everything was apart again .... it's already had a new radiator, hoses, water pump, v belt, gawd knows how many seals... if we could look at the thermostat, which wasn't giving any signs of trouble at all, but should be considered a "service item".

Oh goodness. Bearing in mind the car is 2005, 95,000 miles, with an extremely diligent service history, very well loved... the thermostat rubber gasket was perished, had started to split/shred, and if any of it had come away, would have wreaked havoc in the head gasket.

The thermostat was dated 2004.
Now bear in mind it had a lot of servicing at Mercedes main dealers and errr so called MB specialists.
Not one.
NOT ONE had checked the thermostat in 18 years.
Later, speaking to a guy who runs a MB dealership in Poland, would you believe, he told me that the 350 engines are bullet proof except when owners/mechanics don't check the water pump, thermostat and there is another valve in the cooling system that uses rubber seals.
That valve is being replaced on Wednesday.

The only clue was my engine temperature, despite new rad, hoses etc etc was showing 85° on the display.
With the new thermostat fitted, it's gone down to 80°. But that might be unconnected.

What I will say is this. If your car, whatever model or engine is over 10 years old, or 70,000 miles get the thermostat looked at stat!
They are, like brake hoses, HID bulbs, gearbox mounts, transmission fluid, fuel filters and yes, even radiators, parts that gradually lose efficiency over years, and should really be changed before they fail (especially brake hoses!!!) but they're out of sight, and don't normally give any trouble until the day they do.

My contact said he's known the 350 engines (some were even fitted to vans) to last 1 million kilometres, if carefully maintained, and the aforementioned parts changed as a matter of course, rather than forgotten, or left to a dealership to remember to change (they won't).

I asked how many vehicles he thought were out there with the original thermostats fitted from new, rubber seals dissolving and drifting towards vital apertures? He just said a lot.

I personally don't think it's limited to Mercedes, it's something that nobody even thinks about as wearing out, let alone killing an engine, unless like me you come from a family of car mechanics and got shown a few wrecked motors growing up, and told what parts to never trust if you haven't had them changed yourself.

And like I said, the engine is running fine, cooling system well within spec, but quite literally hours away from disaster.
 
I recently replaced the thermostat on my 2011 350CDI due to dicky temperature readings. On replacement, the rubber gasket was partially detatching. Caught in time. My thoughts were just the same as yours. Should be a 10 year/100k replacement item.
 
Just done the stat on my 220 CDI. Like any other component that is subjected to temperature change it must in time become less reliable, and ultimately fail.
 
NOT ONE had checked the thermostat in 18 years.
Its not a service item and I've never seen any car service sheet where it was required to be checked. Its a bit like saying they never checked my headlight bulb at the service....why would they?...its either works or it doesn't and its obvious when either the bulb or the stat are not!!! If it was failing the low coolant temp would show up on the scanner and you would notice it taking ages to get warm....so difficult to miss.
Never heard of stat seals getting where they shouldn't either.....not saying it does not happen but it would be really tiny pieces and unlikely to cause issues. If you change you coolant at the required time it would even less likely to happen. Failed stats rarely cause overheating as they are engineered to fail open....not closed. Your one running at 80 (too low IMO) probably means its a stat designed to open slightly earlier than the original.
 
Its not a service item and I've never seen any car service sheet where it was required to be checked. Its a bit like saying they never checked my headlight bulb at the service....why would they?...its either works or it doesn't and its obvious when either the bulb or the stat are not!!! If it was failing the low coolant temp would show up on the scanner and you would notice it taking ages to get warm....so difficult to miss.
Never heard of stat seals getting where they shouldn't either.....not saying it does not happen but it would be really tiny pieces and unlikely to cause issues. If you change you coolant at the required time it would even less likely to happen. Failed stats rarely cause overheating as they are engineered to fail open....not closed. Your one running at 80 (too low IMO) probably means its a stat designed to open slightly earlier than the original.
Hi Alfaitalia,
I agree with everything you said, and disagree with everything too...

Looking through the warranty book at all the parts that the manufacture says to check, the thermostat doesn't get a mention. But, anyone who knows anything about those parts knows that they have a limited lifespan, waiting for a part to fail is false economy.

Similarly with the water pump. Mine didn't fail, the cooling system seemed to be fine, but when the V belt had to be removed for cleaning (oil contamination from the oil heat exchange gasket) premature wear was noticed on the belt (it was only 18 months old) and when the tensioners and water pump drive was spun (with the engine off, obviously) then we saw, and heard the play in the bearings, and without waiting for things to get worse (everything was working fine, you couldn't detect anything while the engine was running) we just changed the lot. They don't last forever, and the water pump isn't listed as a service item.
Nor is the radiator.
Mine was working fine, but when we needed to remove it to get to the aircon parts, and condenser, some mounting brackets had sheared off, and yeah, we could have welded them on, but you know (if you've had older cars) that the rad, and hoses, despite regular fluid changes, will always gunge up, or perforate, and fail at some point, usually during a holiday. If you're taking it out at around 100k miles, for the sake of about £140 for a brand new one, for peace of mind, change it. It really is a service item in that respect. And change the hoses at the same time.

My point being, there are many parts that we can predict will fail after around 15 years/100,000 miles, that are not mentioned in any service book, but an experienced mechanic (and owner) doesn't wait for the day you'll be stuck on the hard shoulder waiting for the AA to arrive to change them.

Now, as for the rubber shredding off the thermostat. I totally disagree, and I'll give you a specific. The cylinder head coolant galleries in the block and head are quite wide, something like 5mm diameter, the bits might be able to pass through but the head gasket has a constriction in it, it's designed to create a pressurised jet (I've been told) and the aperture is only about 2mm. If a piece of the rubber makes it around the system and lodges there, the resulting hot spot would be unpredictable and catastrophic. Personally, looking at the thermostat housing, an integrated filter downstream of the thermostat would in my mind be a sensible addition.

My car had had regular coolant changes, and led a pampered life in the hands of well heeled former owners, but nothing stops the hands of time, and I think it's dishonest for car manufacturers to fail to mention that at 15 years/100,000 miles, the parts I've mentioned will inevitably be either less efficient or about to fail. They just do. And most of them are fairly simple bolt off/bolt on items that, if you're taking it apart anyway don't even cost that much.
 
Good post......and I agree with the parts about the water pump etc....I change mine every cambelt change along with the aux belt and all tensioners and pulley....false economy not too (even though I do all my own work) as the Law if Sod dictates the the water pump will fail about a week after doing the cambelt!!....but on most stats the only rubber is the seal around the edges....which is usually clamped between two surafces....so the chances of any of it getting free is minimal IMO.....I've spannered cars for 40 years....never even heard of failing stat rubber causing an issue. A failed, stat 99% of the time, wont cause any harm.....just drastically slow down the warm up time. So I'll change my 172,000 mile one when it fails......not before!!!:)
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I changed my stat at 124k. The warm up was generally OK, the exception being that on a couple of occasions it appeared to have stuck as the temp was low after passing the usual point in the journey at which the heater would normally blow hot. Changed the stat, housing and temp sensor for good measure.
 
Plus the jiggle pin!! 😁😁😁👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

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