Euro6 C250d V5C PM Value (TFL ULEZ)

[Vulture]

Hi everyone,

Hoping someone can help or point me in the right direction to finding an answer.

I bought a 65 plate C250d AMG Line (registered 08/09/2015) and should therefore be Euro6. I checked my number plate on the TFL ULEZ site and it said the car is non compliant, so I wrote to TFL and they said the car's PM value (1.120) exceeds what is allowed (0.005).

From what I have seen online, in order for the car to be Euro6, the PM value has to be 0.005
Euro 1 to Euro 6 – find out your vehicle's emissions standard | RAC Drive

My car is labelled as Euro 6 when you check it online on the RAC website and it has has code 927 "EU 6 emissions standard" and 968 "COC document EU6 without registration certificate part II" on the options list.

So either I've completely missed something, or the V5C is wrong or the car isnt truly Euro6?

Can anyone else with a 65 plate or newer C250d AMG Line check their V5C document and let me know their value for section 4V.5 please?

 

[GeeJayW]

Just checked our car (2016 C250d AMG Line S205) on the TFL ULEZ checker and apparently it does not comply with the limits either. It is Euro 6 compliant as far as I know.

This link
MERCEDES-BENZ C-Class Estate CO2 emissions - MERCEDES-BENZ C-Class Estate NOx emissions UK 2018

Shows it to be Euro 6 too.

From what understand, a PM value of <1g/km has been mandated since Euro 2. So I don't know where they're getting 1.12 from.

 

[Vulture]

Thanks for checking your car too. I'm starting to think maybe there is a mistake on the V5C document for the PM value otherwise the car couldnt have been sold as Euro 6 compliant.

When TFL wrote back to me, they said the following:
--
If you believe this information is incorrect you can contact the vehicle manufacturer's homologation department.
They will need to provide you with a letter signed by a named individual from the homologation department which
contains the following information:
- Vehicle registration mark (VRM)
- Vehicle identification number (VIN)
- Euro standard the vehicle was manufactured to
- Fuel Type
- Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) value
and
- Particulate matter (PM) g/km value (if diesel)
Once received this can be submitted to us online for further consideration.
--

I've emailed the Mercedes-Benz Homologation Team this morning, and will update when they reply back.

 

[JBD]

You need to bring it up as an error. Your car is definitely Euro6 compliant, but we’re coming across a lot like this


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[Wabby]

I have a C250d and when I put it in the following comes back:

ULEZ VRM checker
You confirmed your vehicle as:

YR66***White MERCEDES-BENZ C 250 AMG LINE PREMIUM + D A
You are not subject to the ULEZ.

You do not need to take any action. However, other charges may apply.

On my V5C it says:

4v.1 = 0.190
4v.3 = 0.068
4v.4 = 0.081
4.v5 = 0.610

 

[GeeJayW]

It's interesting. If I use the T-charge checker, it say my vehicle is Euro 6 compliant and not subject to T-charge. Going to have to do some more digging. The car is definitely Euro 6, it has DPF and AddBlue SCR technologies and there is no way it produces more than 1g/km of particulate. That's just a nonesense.

There is an error on the V5C for vehicle type, which says it's a 204. This chassis label also shows vehicle type as a 204K even though the chassis number starts WDD205. Hmm..... I wonder.

 

[Stu22]

It's interesting. If I use the T-charge checker, it say my vehicle is Euro 6 compliant and not subject to T-charge. Going to have to do some more digging. The car is definitely Euro 6, it has DPF and AddBlue SCR technologies and there is no way it produces more than 1g/km of particulate. That's just a nonesense.

There is an error on the V5C for vehicle type, which says it's a 204. This chassis label also shows vehicle type as a 204K even though the chassis number starts WDD205. Hmm..... I wonder.

Is 204 not relating to the power output of a C250?

 

[GeeJayW]

Is 204 not relating to the power output of a C250?

Don't think so...

 

[Vulture]

So it turns out the value on the V5C is wrong. 1.120 is in mg/km and should be in g/km, and therefore should be 0.001 on the V5C.
The Mercedes-Benz Homologation Team posted two letters to me yesterday confirming this (one for TFL and one for DVLA), which I received in the post this afternoon.

So next step is to let TFL know of the error and have my V5C updated by DVLA.

GeeJayW and anyone else, you can contact The Mercedes-Benz Homologation Team here:
homologation.mbpc@daimler.com
Frequently Asked Questions - Mercedes-Benz Import and Export of Vehicles

Ask them to include the following information in the letter:

If you believe this information is incorrect you can contact the vehicle manufacturer's homologation department.
They will need to provide you with a letter signed by a named individual from the homologation department which
contains the following information:
- Vehicle registration mark (VRM)
- Vehicle identification number (VIN)
- Euro standard the vehicle was manufactured to
- Fuel Type
- Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) value
and
- Particulate matter (PM) g/km value (if diesel)

 

[psychoeric]

So it turns out the value on the V5C is wrong. 1.120 is in mg/km and should be in g/km, and therefore should be 0.001 on the V5C.
The Mercedes-Benz Homologation Team posted two letters to me yesterday confirming this (one for TFL and one for DVLA), which I received in the post this afternoon.

So next step is to let TFL know of the error and have my V5C updated by DVLA.

GeeJayW and anyone else, you can contact The Mercedes-Benz Homologation Team here:
homologation.mbpc@daimler.com
Frequently Asked Questions - Mercedes-Benz Import and Export of Vehicles

Ask them to include the following information in the letter:

If you believe this information is incorrect you can contact the vehicle manufacturer's homologation department.
They will need to provide you with a letter signed by a named individual from the homologation department which
contains the following information:
- Vehicle registration mark (VRM)
- Vehicle identification number (VIN)
- Euro standard the vehicle was manufactured to
- Fuel Type
- Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) value
and
- Particulate matter (PM) g/km value (if diesel)

I do wonder if there have been some systemic errors with V5Cs. My E220d, 12/16 also has the same problem - particulates value of 0.420 g/km on the V5C, yet homologation documentation shows 0.42 mg/km...

 

[GeeJayW]

I do wonder if there have been some systemic errors with V5Cs. My E220d, 12/16 also has the same problem - particulates value of 0.420 g/km on the V5C, yet homologation documentation shows 0.42 mg/km...

Looks like it. Only out by three orders of magnitude. I guess us brits have never properly got to grips with the metric system...

 

[tonysmb]

It will be interesting to see where the fault lies here as there are likely to be thousands of cars affected by this type of error; I can't see MB Germany being happy dealing with lots of individual requests.

 

[GeeJayW]

It will be interesting to see where the fault lies here as there are likely to be thousands of cars affected by this type of error; I can't see MB Germany being happy dealing with lots of individual requests.

I wouldn't be surprised if this error affects V5 documents for other makes of car besides MB.

 

[Andyfkettle]

I shall be checking mine!

 

[GeeJayW]

Just had a look at an image of the V5c for our C220d Coupe (C204) which was Euro 5, equipped with a DPF and tested against a PM limit of 0.005 g/km.

The V5 shows PM to be 0.370 g/km. Again out by a factor of 1000.

This issue has been going on for quite a while it seems. I now need to dig out the V5 for our Golf TDI which is also Euro5, so I wouldn't be surprised to find that the V5c is wrong too.

 

[PXW]

Have checked my car and TfL say it is not ULEZ complaint - but again, the Vehicle Certification Agency says it is Euro 6. Interestingly, I have also got a French Crit'Air Cat 2 certificate for it, which requires Euro 6 compliance.

Thankfully we do have a while to get this sorted out.

 

[PXW]

Raised a query with TfL. The reply says:

"We are in the process of compiling vehicle compliance data and refreshing our database on a regular basis between now and the introduction of the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) 8 April 2019." They then invite me to submit my V5C and they can confirm compliance.

So, a helpful and prompt reply, but it seems we are a little early to rely on their database just yet, and things may well get better.

 

[Vulture]

Just got a reply from TFL after I sent them a copy of the letter that Mercedes gave me:

"Thank you for providing the requested documentation.
Based on this information we can confirm that your vehicle, KV65 *** is not subject to the Ultra Low Emission Zone
(ULEZ) and meets the emissions standards.
The vehicle compliance database will be updated to reflect the correct details of your vehicle, before the scheme
commences."

I'm guessing a lot of people have to get their car details manually updated so they dont get fined when the ULEZ scheme starts.

 

[grober]

Frankly this issue needs a wider airing. If I was affected would be firing off E-mails to Autoexpress, Autocar, TOP GEAR the AA, RAC and any other media platform that shows an interest as many other makes may be involved as suggested already. TFL may have compiled their database from a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) database which it would appear is also in error. Someone seems to have got their units wrong- time to publicly own up?

 

[GeeJayW]

Just checked my vehicle details again and the ULEZ checker now says that my vehicle is compliant, with no further action required. Seems that somebody has fixed the database error. Good.