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G63AMG DMS or RennTech upgrade:

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So I’m having an Akrapovic Evolution Line fitted with front link pipes to my 2020 G Wagon.

Then I was going to have it tunned which it requires anyway with the link pipes but to north of 700BHP probably nearer 750BHP.

Ive read a lot of positive reviews on RennTech and DMS. Anyone have experience of both brands as I can see pros and cons in both companies. I’m possibly leaning more to RennTech as I hear Mercedes tolerates them in the USA.... Thanks.
 

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Renntec I would go for.

Collins Bespoke Performance is an authrosed dealer who I would go with and have a dyno facility on site to test and tweak the tune live on rolling road.

Alternatively, Renntec as I am sure you probably already know do the hand held terminal for uploading and removing the map file via obd port.

Enjoy the tune!
 
Renntec I would go for.

Collins Bespoke Performance is an authrosed dealer who I would go with and have a dyno facility on site to test and tweak the tune live on rolling road.

Alternatively, Renntec as I am sure you probably already know do the hand held terminal for uploading and removing the map file via obd port.

Enjoy the tune!
Thanks - I thought RennTech, DMS do have a good reputation.
 

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Renntec I would go for.

Collins Bespoke Performance is an authrosed dealer who I would go with and have a dyno facility on site to test and tweak the tune live on rolling road.

Alternatively, Renntec as I am sure you probably already know do the hand held terminal for uploading and removing the map file via obd port.

Enjoy the tune!
Collins Bespoke have a few disgruntled customers, have you used them yourself..?
 
Renntech through a distributor will be a generic flash. I’m not a fan of DMS after using them in the past with poor customer service and attitude.

I’d talk to MSL Performance for your tuning options. They are very familiar with your platform and have numerous options reference bespoke tuning. They did my TTE900 turbo upgrade so well that the map is being copied everywhere, which from a tuning perspective is a massive compliment.
 
I used them once on my wife's AMG and service was ok from Collins and remap was perfect and tweaked on live rolling road with tech support directly from Renntech. Car was even more rapid and zero issues.

You have a uniquie car and not many enthusiasts have a Renntech tune in the UK!

I personally like to be different.
 
I understand remapping voids my warranty so which ever system I take needs an option to easily revert it before a service. Probably helps if I ever come to Part-X the vehicle for another AMG!

Does anyone know if the custom exhaust voids my warranty in the same way? (Akrapovic Evolution Line fitted with front link pipes) I guess the easy option would have been to get the Brabus upgrade, but I did not think and exhaust system sounded and looked as good as the Akrapovic...
 
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I understand remapping voids my warranty so which ever system I take needs an option to easily revert it before a service. Probably helps if I ever come to Part-X the vehicle for another AMG!

Does anyone know if the custom exhaust voids my warranty in the same way? (Akrapovic Evolution Line fitted with front link pipes)

MSL can remap your vehicle using "My Genius" which enables you to put it back to stock anytime (for servicing) and then put the tuned map back after the service.
They can also remotely remap your vehicle and send you a My Genius device by post. Obviously this will prevent you using the MSL dyno for before and after comparisons.

 
Renntech through a distributor will be a generic flash. I’m not a fan of DMS after using them in the past with poor customer service and attitude.

I’d talk to MSL Performance for your tuning options. They are very familiar with your platform and have numerous options reference bespoke tuning. They did my TTE900 turbo upgrade so well that the map is being copied everywhere, which from a tuning perspective is a massive compliment.

What were your issues with DMS? I have read nothing but good reviews on them..
 
What were your issues with DMS? I have read nothing but good reviews on them..
Had to have my remap done twice as the first one didn’t feel that different to standard, put it on the dyno and it was the case. Remap was meant to include the limiter removal as the car was running at a VMax event, but once at VMax the car was still limited to 155mph. DMS were there so spoke with them, after a while they said they’d checked the map and the limiter should be removed. Ran the car again but would still not go past 155mph. They then said they weren’t sure why it was doing this and couldn’t help any further on the day, but would investigate then flash a new map on at a later date. A few weeks later they put a new map on and said all was good. Went back to the next VMax Event and frustratingly the limiter was still there and I couldn’t go faster than 155mph. Another Tuner was there who offered to flash a map on with the limiter removed. 30 minutes later and the car hit 167mph! I contacted DMS again afterwards and eventually got an apology.......
I’ve been to VMax many times and it’s an expensive day out, especially when you factor in all the prep you do with your car. So almost 2 wasted visits isn’t good, but got the impression that DMS weren’t that bothered and more interested in drumming up business with the higher end cars there.


A good tuner would be able to read a map and easily understand the logic as to whether the limiter is or isn’t removed. It was at this point I lost faith in DMS and their ability / capability. The car was a BMW so nothing over complicated (335d back in 2007).
 
What were your issues with DMS? I have read nothing but good reviews on them..
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I’m just wanting to choose the right option for me and my G63AMG.

RennTech is a plug and play device to an extent, it easily allows you to switch back to stock without a visit. This will need to be fitted by Collins Performance. There is a good video by Shmee having this upgrade done to his vehicle but he had the RennTech fitted by RennTech Germany.

DMS have in general a very good reputation, the odd disgruntled customer (like the one above) but there system requires a visit to put the vehicle back to stock. They were recommend by Scuderia who are fitting the exhaust system.

Brabus is probably the safest system and probably does not void my warranty however I’ve committed to the Akrapovic exhaust system as it sounded better also the Brabus upgrade only reaches 700BHP. I’m not sure if by having the Akrapovic exhaust system that has already voided my warranty anyway!
 
I’m just wanting to choose the right option for me and my G63AMG.

RennTech is a plug and play device to an extent, it easily allows you to switch back to stock without a visit. This will need to be fitted by Collins Performance. There is a good video by Shmee having this upgrade done to his vehicle but he had the RennTech fitted by RennTech Germany.

DMS have in general a very good reputation, the odd disgruntled customer (like the one above) but there system requires a visit to put the vehicle back to stock. They were recommend by Scuderia who are fitting the exhaust system.

Brabus is probably the safest system and probably does not void my warranty however I’ve committed to the Akrapovic exhaust system as it sounded better also the Brabus upgrade only reaches 700BHP. I’m not sure if by having the Akrapovic exhaust system that has already voided my warranty anyway!
Neither the exhaust nor remap will void the manufacturer’s warranty, however if a fault occurs which is attributable to the modification - or even could have been caused by the modification - then your manufacturer’s warranty won’t pick up the cost of repair. Tuners sometimes offer insurance (often described by the tuners as a warranty) to cover this eventuality.

Generally plug in devices are more compromised than a remap. Many tuners offer both tuning devices and remaps, even Brabus, but plug in devices provide the smallest performance improvements of the two options. Ultimately it comes down to which is the bigger compromise, reduced performance or having to reapply the map if the dealer ever overwrites it?

What’s the reason you plan to “switch back to stock”? If it’s so the dealer and manufacturer don’t know you’ve tuned the car which could potentially prevent a warranty claim, then if the warranty claim is big enough, and they want to, then they can look for the tell tail signs left behind even after a a tuning device or remap has been removed.

It’s not really fair to expect the manufacturer to pick up the bill for the owner knowingly increasing the risk of a fault occurring by increasing the power beyond standard, and in some cases using an inexperienced or bullish tuning firm. Instead it’s best that owners underwrite their own risk or insure against it, and get the safest possible tune from an established and experienced tuner.

it’s a bit like buying a suit, then choosing to take it somewhere else to get the legs and sleeves shortened. If the person doing it goes a bit too far, and takes off a bit too much material, then it wouldn’t really be fair to expect the person who sold you the suit to pick up the bill for sorting it out. The owner of the suit took the risk, and so they should accept the consequence if it goes wrong.
 
Neither the exhaust nor remap will void the manufacturer’s warranty, however if a fault occurs which is attributable to the modification - or even could have been caused by the modification - then your manufacturer’s warranty won’t pick up the cost of repair. Tuners sometimes offer insurance (often described by the tuners as a warranty) to cover this eventuality.

Generally plug in devices are more compromised than a remap. Many tuners offer both tuning devices and remaps, even Brabus, but plug in devices provide the smallest performance improvements of the two options. Ultimately it comes down to which is the bigger compromise, reduced performance or having to reapply the map if the dealer ever overwrites it?

What’s the reason you plan to “switch back to stock”? If it’s so the dealer and manufacturer don’t know you’ve tuned the car which could potentially prevent a warranty claim, then if the warranty claim is big enough, and they want to, then they can look for the tell tail signs left behind even after a a tuning device or remap has been removed.

It’s not really fair to expect the manufacturer to pick up the bill for the owner knowingly increasing the risk of a fault occurring by increasing the power beyond standard, and in some cases using an inexperienced or bullish tuning firm. Instead it’s best that owners underwrite their own risk or insure against it, and get the safest possible tune from an established and experienced tuner.

it’s a bit like buying a suit, then choosing to take it somewhere else to get the legs and sleeves shortened. If the person doing it goes a bit too far, and takes off a bit too much material, then it wouldn’t really be fair to expect the person who sold you the suit to pick up the bill for sorting it out. The owner of the suit took the risk, and so they should accept the consequence if it goes wrong.

Im probably leaning closer to DMS then, as they are the premium UK remap service. Probably contentious but this assumption is from what I’ve read.

Should my remap be done on a Dyno? Scuderia said it was not needed as it’s a straight forward job doing a turbo charged vehicle and I would be occurring unnecessary cost?
 
Im probably leaning closer to DMS then, as they are the premium UK remap service. Probably contentious but this assumption is from what I’ve read.

Should my remap be done on a Dyno? Scuderia said it was not needed as it’s a straight forward job doing a turbo charged vehicle and I would be occurring unnecessary cost?

It's best if a customised remap to tune and tweak on live rolling road so that any flat spots can be identified and tweaked for optimal performance and power delivery.

Also, before and after results from dyno imo are important. However, dynos' can also be "manipulated" by the operators to show higher power output than what the car is actually in reality pumping out.

If not going down Renntech route DMS from what I have heard do have a decent reputation but I have not used them.

GAD Tuning in Essex might be another option. They also do their own tunes in house themselves and they helped to crack the codes for tuning via the obd port opposed to having to physically remove the ECUs on quite a few MBs that were security protected. They know their stuff!
 
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My experience with dms it's that they're a lot more expensive than other tuners for the same gains. Got to pay for all their advertising somehow I guess......
 
Brabus is probably the safest system and probably does not void my warranty however I’ve committed to the Akrapovic exhaust system as it sounded better also the Brabus upgrade only reaches 700BHP. I’m not sure if by having the Akrapovic exhaust system that has already voided my warranty anyway!

The Akrapovic exhaust will void the whole engine warranty. Brabus do the B800 conversion, which is the module, full down pipes and exhaust system, and larger turbos. The M177 benefits greatly from upsized turbos, when the Brabus exhaust is used with the upsized turbos its sounds superior, and is warranted. 750bhp without bigger turbos is pushing it a bit, even with enlarged downpipes.
 
The odd disgruntled customer, pretty sure there are more out there. I was just giving you my opinion. This is as someone who has had many modified cars including a recent 900 BHP + Mercedes. So I am very meticulous with who I use.

DMS could not work out how to remove a limiter. It smacked of they were buying in a map and flashing it onto my car. If they had written it themselves or understood the logic then they would know for sure if the map was correct or not. This was back in 2007 when they already had a big reputation, albeit targeted mainly at Porsche’s and other exotica. They may be better now and may have someone in house who creates their maps. But for me the damage was done, so never went back or reconsidered them, as in my opinion there are better out there, especially for the Mercedes platform. You have an Akrapovic fitted to an M177, so they should easily be able to provide a tweaked generic stage 1 map that fully optimises the benefit of the exhaust, plus provide you with a handheld as and when you want to change the map.

Good luck with your choice.
 
The Akrapovic exhaust will void the whole engine warranty. Brabus do the B800 conversion, which is the module, full down pipes and exhaust system, and larger turbos. The M177 benefits greatly from upsized turbos, when the Brabus exhaust is used with the upsized turbos its sounds superior, and is warranted. 750bhp without bigger turbos is pushing it a bit, even with enlarged downpipes.

Just had a quote from a Mercedes Dealer it’s 35K (verses 12K) to get the Brabus Exhuast and work done to go to 800BHP.

I think I will take the risk of the tune and Akrapovic system. I tend to never keep cars that long anyway 1year max!
 

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